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rogerwilco
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| scholar wrote: |
| Foreigners should obey China's laws, policies, and regulations. Plan ahead so that you do not stay beyond your visa limit. China has much to offer but it does not welcome foreigners who choose to break the law or traditions. |
scholar, I just noticed that all of your posts occur while it is daytime and evening in North America, but you never post while it is daytime in China.
Your posting habits are 12 hours out of sync with what would be typical for a person living in China.
Have you ever been to China ?
If so, do you have any experience at all being an FT in China ? |
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scholar
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I've made my story clear. You may use the search function to learn it out. |
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rogerwilco
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| scholar wrote: |
| I've made my story clear. You may use the search function to learn it out. |
You have zero experience in China, got it. |
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Lobster
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Opiate
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Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:35 am Post subject: |
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RED |
That is how we speak in the America. As you may know, even in our America not every peoples talk the same. |
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keeperofpythons
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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Location: zhu san jiao
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| rogerwilco wrote: |
| scholar wrote: |
| I've made my story clear. You may use the search function to learn it out. |
You have zero experience in China, got it. |
| scholar wrote: |
| Foreigners should obey China's laws, policies, and regulations. Plan ahead so that you do not stay beyond your visa limit. China has much to offer but it does not welcome foreigners who choose to break the law or traditions. |
He speaks of China as if it's a single, completely homogenous entity. |
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The Edge
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| scholar is one my favourite posters on Dave's. |
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TeacherInChina
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Just get an L visa to cover the extra days. It's no big deal. It happens all the time. As long as you're out of the school facilities or are square with your landlord, there should be no problems.
I've done it. |
Is this done in the same office building that issues the resident permit ? |
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Mr. English
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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Location: Nakuru, Kenya
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| The question of when a visa expires and on what day one is required to exit is unclear. At the PSB I have specifically asked the people processing me, when, for example, the paperwork says that my visa expires on 1 August, whether I am permitted to exit on 1 August or whether I need to exit on 31 July. Their unequivocal answer is "You can exit on August 1". But, I have spent more than four years in China and have asked a number of foreigners about this. Some tell me that they have exited on the date stated and have had no problems. I have heard other credible accounts, none first-hand, that people have had trouble trying to exit on the date stated. |
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chinatimes
Joined: 27 May 2012
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| The question of when a visa expires and on what day one is required to exit is unclear. At the PSB I have specifically asked the people processing me, when, for example, the paperwork says that my visa expires on 1 August, whether I am permitted to exit on 1 August or whether I need to exit on 31 July. Their unequivocal answer is "You can exit on August 1". But, I have spent more than four years in China and have asked a number of foreigners about this. Some tell me that they have exited on the date stated and have had no problems. I have heard other credible accounts, none first-hand, that people have had trouble trying to exit on the date stated. |
Common sense, Logic 101 session spiel
1. Do you REALLY want to leave the country? I mean really, really, really what to leave the country?
2. If Yes, then:
WHY NOT EXTEND YOUR VISA ON AN L VISA TO GET 30 DAYS?
If you do that, then you don't have to worry about this 1 day stuff. Why on earth are people trying to get things so strict to one day is beyond me. |
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Mr. English
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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Location: Nakuru, Kenya
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| Perhaps one is traveling, wants to stay as long as possible, and does not want to pay close to a thousand yuan to a corrupt Chinese government to get a few more days. Who are you to dictate to others that they should pay that much for one more day? |
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colonel
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Location: Nanyang and Cha-Am
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The 'sensible' option, given all the expectations of potential grief, would be to leave the day before the expiry date.
Mountains out of molehills? |
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Gtomas
Joined: 03 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| scholar wrote: |
| Foreigners should obey China's laws, policies, and regulations. Plan ahead so that you do not stay beyond your visa limit. China has much to offer but it does not welcome foreigners who choose to break the law or traditions. |
If you are an expat in China, you know that the whole system is gamed so that everyone is always breaking some law at some time. Really. No joke.
The only reason so many teachers are here illegally is because the government wants to keep that little lever of power that could eject them from the country at any moment.
This extends to everyday life and everyday Chinese. Please don't tell us foreigners should obey the (contradicting) laws and the culture of (lawlessness). With such wide strokes. Foreigners should be the best they can be and show a good face to the world, but the fact is a lot of legit people here can't get legit visas.
Although ideal to always be in the best possible graces of your host government, in China they simply don't want it that way. |
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Mr. Leafy
Joined: 24 Apr 2012
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Location: North of the Wall
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According to the book Doing Business in China For Dummies, you must leave the day before it expires. However, they don't cite an an official source for this (page 76).
This is different than anywhere I have been before, I'd want to check with somebody official if it were me.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4StIYYTsEy0C&q=76#v=snippet&q=76&f=false |
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Miles Smiles
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Location: Heebee Jeebee
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| TeacherInChina wrote: |
| Miles Smiles wrote: |
Just get an L visa to cover the extra days. It's no big deal. It happens all the time. As long as you're out of the school facilities or are square with your landlord, there should be no problems.
I've done it. |
Is this done in the same office building that issues the resident permit ? |
Gee, you know, when I first arrive somewhere, everywhere looks the same. I do remember however, that back in 2009, the FAO took me to the same place to get the residence permit that she took me to get the L visa. I remember it so well because the entire experience was a short-lived abomination. |
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