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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: I hate the anti-Japanese Gaijins |
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I met this guy recently who was ransting about how much he hated Japanese people for their intolernace of gaijins but I think it was him who has an intolerance of Japanse.
Now he said a neighbout wagged a finger at him and said some bad words because he dripped water on his neghbours baconly. When I asked why he knew that was racist he said, "You can just tell with these people."
Then I thought maybe this guy was the racist againt the Japanese not the Japanese against him. He said, "Yeah but you can just tell sometimes!" Then this giy said he urinated on this Japanese guy's balcony in revenge. I wsa amazed at this disgusting behaviour and thought that maybe this is just giving firre to the people the gaijin thinks is racist. I was so shocked and ashamed to think that this guy could come from the same country as mine and bahave like that. it was horrible and he was even worse than I said already you might be surprised how bad he was. I was shocked.
This is a true story and I didn't make it up.!  |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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"...these people."
Would that be assistant professor, ALT, or eikaiwa instructor Archie Bunker? |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:20 am Post subject: |
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So you are (I'm guessing here) a gaijin who is anti-anti-Japanese-gaijin? How is that not discrimination? You don't even know most of those people. And you already hate them. They are a 'hidden' subgroup of people. It's pretty likely that there are anti-anti-anti-Japanese-gaijin people out there, too.
People suffer culture shock ('culture fatigue'). It's like a wave that goes up and down over the course of years. They may lash out against the host members of the country (in this case Japanese people) when what they really are, is tired of being in the foreign culture (except that if they've been here for years, then they would experience the same thing in their home country). They need a break. I think any foreigner who actually hates Japanese people would leave. It's not like there aren't more lucrative opportunities elsewhere. |
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:35 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
"...these people."
Would that be assistant professor, ALT, or eikaiwa instructor Archie Bunker? |
He's unemployed. |
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:37 am Post subject: |
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GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
So you are (I'm guessing here) a gaijin who is anti-anti-Japanese-gaijin? How is that not discrimination? You don't even know most of those people. And you already hate them. They are a 'hidden' subgroup of people. It's pretty likely that there are anti-anti-anti-Japanese-gaijin people out there, too.
People suffer culture shock ('culture fatigue'). It's like a wave that goes up and down over the course of years. They may lash out against the host members of the country (in this case Japanese people) when what they really are, is tired of being in the foreign culture (except that if they've been here for years, then they would experience the same thing in their home country). They need a break. I think any foreigner who actually hates Japanese people would leave. It's not like there aren't more lucrative opportunities elsewhere. |
Its not just cultrue shock I think I think he really hates Japan but lives here anyway and it doesn't matter abot the lucrative places in the rest of the world because he can't get those jobs and he's married to a Japanese lady. I feel sorry for her.  |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Cool Teacher wrote: |
he's married to a Japanese lady. I feel sorry for her.  |
He hates Japanese people... so he MARRIED one of them. Sounds like he 'hates' Japanese people in that he may have culture fatigue, or he may be frustrated for some reason (like because he's unemployed?), or it could be that his wife is irritating him so he's taking it out on ALL Japanese people. It could be anything at all. Maybe he USED to like Japanese people, but as he became more and more fluent in the language, he decided he hated them. If you HATE people from an individual country, you aren't very likely to want to get to know someone from that country by dating them and eventually marrying them, are you?
My solution to meeting people like that isn't to post about how much I hate that attitude on the internet (and refer to it as hating those people), it's to say "OK, then! I'll see you around!" and then that's that. I move on and let them have their little hate-in without me (it would be different if it were one of my friends who started acting strangely, though). Occasionally, I'll even see them again in a few months and they'll be like a totally different person. |
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:30 am Post subject: |
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GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
Cool Teacher wrote: |
he's married to a Japanese lady. I feel sorry for her.  |
He hates Japanese people... so he MARRIED one of them. Sounds like he 'hates' Japanese people in that he may have culture fatigue, or he may be frustrated for some reason (like because he's unemployed?), or it could be that his wife is irritating him so he's taking it out on ALL Japanese people. It could be anything at all. Maybe he USED to like Japanese people, but as he became more and more fluent in the language, he decided he hated them. If you HATE people from an individual country, you aren't very likely to want to get to know someone from that country by dating them and eventually marrying them, are you?
My solution to meeting people like that isn't to post about how much I hate that attitude on the internet (and refer to it as hating those people), it's to say "OK, then! I'll see you around!" and then that's that. I move on and let them have their little hate-in without me (it would be different if it were one of my friends who started acting strangely, though). Occasionally, I'll even see them again in a few months and they'll be like a totally different person. |
1. I heard that some of the top Nazis has Jewish girlfriends and they probably still hated Jews. Sometimes that is athe funny thing about racism that someone can be very racist and see no contradiciton in having a friend, even a girlfriend or spouse from that race. You find it illogical sure but then theres usually nothign logical about racism is there?
2. I think this guy speaks NO Japanese at all. Part of his sotry was that he had no idea waht the guy was saying but he "just knew" it was racist.
3. Yes, maybe I am just venting a bit because I was so shocked. I don't write everything I don't like on the internet that would take too much tiem (J/K I am usually a mild-mannered person) But I thought "Wow! This is too much maybe some other people have had similar experiences." So I wrote it as a kind of therapy. Maybe my words are a bit too strong.  |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:08 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it was overly strong (except for the word 'hate', I guess).
I think anytime a thread is posted like this, then it invites people to come out and either 'agree' with what you're saying, 'disagree' with what your saying (both of which are fine, IMO) but there's also a possibility that it will devolve into a 'this [very small thing] happened to me and so that proves that all Japanese people are racist' thread.
[if the guy speaks no Japanese at all, and 'just knew' it was racism, that that might be a clue that he's all stressed out and is kind-of out-of-his-head {at the moment?}. This would go back to my idea that it could have been from any number of other things and that he was venting at ALL Japanese people for something else, possibly at frustration (maybe from being unemployed... and not speaking the language at all?)]. |
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:47 am Post subject: |
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I'd be willing to bet he is anti-many things, and it's not specific to the Japanese. Some people are just ****s, and remain so regardless of where they live. He would likely have the same arguments with people in his home country but he'd have to find some other excuse as to why his neighbors 'hate' him. |
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:37 am Post subject: |
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GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
I don't think it was overly strong (except for the word 'hate', I guess).
I think anytime a thread is posted like this, then it invites people to come out and either 'agree' with what you're saying, 'disagree' with what your saying (both of which are fine, IMO) but there's also a possibility that it will devolve into a 'this [very small thing] happened to me and so that proves that all Japanese people are racist' thread.
[if the guy speaks no Japanese at all, and 'just knew' it was racism, that that might be a clue that he's all stressed out and is kind-of out-of-his-head {at the moment?}. This would go back to my idea that it could have been from any number of other things and that he was venting at ALL Japanese people for something else, possibly at frustration (maybe from being unemployed... and not speaking the language at all?)]. |
Hmmm...I know this can lead to thread derails but anyway maybe he is just a bit crazy. I said, "I think it is a good idea to apologize"
He said, "No way this guy has hated me ever since I moved in."
I said, "Oh you have had trouble with him before?"
He said, "No never met him before."
"How do you know he's always hated you?"
"You can just tell. He was looking for an excuse!"
Then he said, "The other people in the building too hate me" "One woman complained about blah blah blah so I bought her some chocolates to apologize."
"Have you had any problems with her since?"
"No, she's been fine now."
"So, why not buy something for the other neighbour."
"No, way he's a racist!"
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:40 am Post subject: |
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HLJHLJ wrote: |
I'd be willing to bet he is anti-many things, and it's not specific to the Japanese. Some people are just ****s, and remain so regardless of where they live. He would likely have the same arguments with people in his home country but he'd have to find some other excuse as to why his neighbors 'hate' him. |
Yeah, he's anti-meat. He stands outside Macdonalds and KFC and shouts "murderers!" on some days. This is true! He also got kicked out of his last apartment for keeping pets and setting fire to the notices telling him to remove his pets. He also stapled the notices to his landlords door.  |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:24 am Post subject: |
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So write him off as a douchebag and move on. |
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Tsian
Joined: 10 Jan 2012 Posts: 85
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Coolteacher:
I'm curious, have you had some other experiences recently that have made you feel frustrated with Japan or highlighted differences?
I think we all run into idiots from time to time. There is little to do but ignore them and move on -- and realize that many of them are probably not bad people. Everyone goes through stages and has bouts of homesickness or doubts about their decision to relocate long term to Japan. Perhaps he is just under a lot of stress (or perhaps he is truly just an *beep*).
In any event, no use in worrying too much about his problems! In the end he will be rewarded in kind. |
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, you might be right.  |
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Inflames
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 486
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
it would be different if it were one of my friends who started acting strangely, though |
This is almost exactly what happened to one of my friends. He was married before, had a kid and got divorced. He met a new woman a few years later and got married to her. They got engaged when he had a job and got married after he got fired.
It's really a mess and he has pretty much totally lost it. His wife is still there for reasons not entirely clear (I think she views it as an investment - she has spent a ton of cash on him). I haven't talked to him in a month - we went to a bar and he told me he had his kid at 9 AM (it was the 2 AM) and I asked him if he should go home and he went into some rant and the bartender kicked him out.
I think the person Cool Teacher mentions is rather clearly depressed and isolated (much like the person I wrote about). |
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