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Lick School, Sanda - 30-40 hours of free work
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jim_brava



Joined: 22 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are being too harsh Pitarou. You are not flaming/trolling, and arguing your points thoroughly. However, in my defense...

(1)Visas - I have met many people who started working here while their visa was in process, and were glad they didn't spend several weeks bleeding money while they waited for the formality of working permission.

This could have been regarded as wrong, and they "got away with it". However, the ratio of people who came out of this situation just fine would suggest I, without the benefit of hindsight, took a fair gamble but lost.

(2) Lick, and lightning "striking twice" - During that very difficult period, around the time I had this smaller problem with Lick, I was actually involved with several schools and employers. In many cases, I did some work for them while the visa was coming through.

In all-but-one of these cases, things worked out just fine, and I still work for most of these employers to this day. The exception was of course Lick; and thus I decided to post a warning on here.

Given the fact that I had almost zero money at the time (occasionally having to spend a night in McDonald's etc), I am very glad I did some work in the month before the visa came through - it allowed me to eat and sleep. My current financial situation would also have been significantly worse if I hadn't done so.

Japan is a bad country for "waiting" (be it for a job, visa etc.). Literally doing nothing costs 3000 Yen a day minimum (dorm, food). Start going to interviews, and things then further increase.

It's not Thailand, where you can stay in a 200 baht hostel, and "eat/live/drink like a Thai" for a few weeks, with negligible outgoings.
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Pitarou



Joined: 16 Nov 2009
Posts: 1116
Location: Narita, Japan

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jim_brava wrote:
I think you are being too harsh Pitarou.
I agree that I'm being harsh.
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You are not flaming/trolling, and arguing your points thoroughly.
Thank you for recognising that.
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However, in my defense...

(1)Visas - I have met many people who started working here while their visa was in process, and were glad they didn't spend several weeks bleeding money while they waited for the formality of working permission.

This could have been regarded as wrong, and they "got away with it". However, the ratio of people who came out of this situation just fine would suggest I, without the benefit of hindsight, took a fair gamble but lost.
I've gone over this before. There's a difference between a taker of calculated risks and a blind optimist. You're clearly in the latter group. I still don't think you appreciate just how much of a gamble you took.

Taken in isolation, the Lick case is excusable. But given your attitude and pattern of behaviour, it's no surprise that things like that happen to you.
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(2) Lick, and lightning "striking twice" - During that very difficult period, around the time I had this smaller problem with Lick, I was actually involved with several schools and employers. In many cases, I did some work for them while the visa was coming through.

In all-but-one of these cases, things worked out just fine, and I still work for most of these employers to this day. The exception was of course Lick; and thus I decided to post a warning on here.
You're right. On that point, I was too harsh. It can't be easy telling the world that you've been conned again, and you wrote this message to help others. By slapping you down, I'm discouraging others from sharing similar stories. My apologies.

But ...
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Given the fact that I had almost zero money at the time (occasionally having to spend a night in McDonald's etc), I am very glad I did some work in the month before the visa came through - it allowed me to eat and sleep. My current financial situation would also have been significantly worse if I hadn't done so.

Japan is a bad country for "waiting" (be it for a job, visa etc.). Literally doing nothing costs 3000 Yen a day minimum (dorm, food). Start going to interviews, and things then further increase.

It's not Thailand, where you can stay in a 200 baht hostel, and "eat/live/drink like a Thai" for a few weeks, with negligible outgoings.
... I still think you take stupid risks.

To put it in the harshest possible terms: you entered the country as a vagrant, intending to take whatever illegal work you could find. I'm glad it worked out for you, but I don't think the embassy in Osaka -- the ones who pick up the pieces when it doesn't work out -- would have thanked you for taking that kind of gamble.

I'm not criticising your enterprise, or your willingness to take a risk. I admire that you managed to make it work out for you. If someone were looking for a salesman, I'd recommend you. But I'd warn them not to let you make any strategic decisions.
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fluffyhamster



Joined: 13 Mar 2005
Posts: 3292
Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Sour Grape: Actually, I too have had transport paid in some jobs, but the pcm wage has always been correspondingly lower than the average by a good few man, as if to offset that travel reimbursement. Which is why I say that travel isn't really included (in any meaningful sense). That's not to say there aren't any decent employers out there who won't ever cover it, especially when it's beyond one's usual commute.
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OneJoelFifty



Joined: 06 Oct 2009
Posts: 463

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My last employer said that travel was already included in the (low!) salary, which was bullshit. My current employer pays for my 50,000ish Yen 3-month train passes on top of the salary.
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