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Teaching in China - January Start?

 
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John28



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:08 pm    Post subject: Teaching in China - January Start? Reply with quote

I have been seriously considering applying for teaching positions in China and I have now come to the stage where I feel that it is a good time to venture off and teach. I have read information on this message board previously and am under no illusion that it can be very tricky to secure a teaching position. I have a 2:1 Ba Hons and a CELTA so hopefully it will make it that bit easier to apply, although again, I am trying to not have any false expectations! I am wanting to experience China and develop my teaching skills and embark on a life changing experience.

With this in mind, can teachers with experience let me know if I am limited to a September start, or whether Schools also accept new teachers for a January start also? This would make financial and general planning that bit easier.

I wanted to get the information first before making any further decisions.
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Opiate



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schools can start you in January or after the Spring Festival...whenever that is next year. However, unless they are willing to give you a 6 or 4 month contract I would think twice about it. If they offer you a 12 or 10 month contract..when you want to find another job you'd be looking for work at a less then optimal time of year. Also...the school will know this so you lose some power when it comes to negotiating a new contract.

Usually schools hire after Spring Festival because another teacher has left. Perhaps for private schools... (not likely) they have more classes then the current teaching staff can handle. You'll likely be a replacement.

I would strongly suggest you look for a job starting in September of this year or next. Winter is not the best time to start a new contract imo. To answer your question directly, yes you can start in January....or near there.
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John28



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Opiate wrote:
Schools can start you in January or after the Spring Festival...whenever that is next year. However, unless they are willing to give you a 6 or 4 month contract I would think twice about it. If they offer you a 12 or 10 month contract..when you want to find another job you'd be looking for work at a less then optimal time of year. Also...the school will know this so you lose some power when it comes to negotiating a new contract.

Usually schools hire after Spring Festival because another teacher has left. Perhaps for private schools... (not likely) they have more classes then the current teaching staff can handle. You'll likely be a replacement.

I would strongly suggest you look for a job starting in September of this year or next. Winter is not the best time to start a new contract imo. To answer your question directly, yes you can start in January....or near there.


Thank you for your reply, much appreciated. I am slightly apprehensive about waiting another year because it seems so far away and I would like to try and get the initial experience in before I reach my thirties (silly I know, but I want to do this when I am still young-ish!)

Secondly, I have had a holiday booked at the end of August for sometime now, and I would have a very small window between that and then setting off for a year. I have contacted three or four schools making enquiries about work in September and asking if they will have any possible positions in January. Unless it is later in September (which I doubt), I don't think I could commit to early September in 2012. Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching in China - January Start? Reply with quote

John28 wrote:
I have been seriously considering applying for teaching positions in China and I have now come to the stage where I feel that it is a good time to venture off and teach. I have read information on this message board previously and am under no illusion that it can be very tricky to secure a teaching position. I have a 2:1 Ba Hons and a CELTA so hopefully it will make it that bit easier to apply, although again, I am trying to not have any false expectations! I am wanting to experience China and develop my teaching skills and embark on a life changing experience.

With this in mind, can teachers with experience let me know if I am limited to a September start, or whether Schools also accept new teachers for a January start also? This would make financial and general planning that bit easier.

I wanted to get the information first before making any further decisions.


Quite a number of Universities start their terms at the end of February or start of March. Apply around Sept/Oct, get a job/visa/etc, and come over in January. Most universities wont have a problem with you staying in the teacher accomodation prior to semester start. Then do private teaching primarily until the term starts, and then have it as secondary income.

Language mills take in staff all year around so if you really want experience head that way, just read this board and get an idea of what it will be like. Despite the risks of being screwed, they do generally teach you loads about being a teacher and what to look out for in China ESL.
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John28



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching in China - January Start? Reply with quote

cormac wrote:
John28 wrote:
I have been seriously considering applying for teaching positions in China and I have now come to the stage where I feel that it is a good time to venture off and teach. I have read information on this message board previously and am under no illusion that it can be very tricky to secure a teaching position. I have a 2:1 Ba Hons and a CELTA so hopefully it will make it that bit easier to apply, although again, I am trying to not have any false expectations! I am wanting to experience China and develop my teaching skills and embark on a life changing experience.

With this in mind, can teachers with experience let me know if I am limited to a September start, or whether Schools also accept new teachers for a January start also? This would make financial and general planning that bit easier.

I wanted to get the information first before making any further decisions.


Quite a number of Universities start their terms at the end of February or start of March. Apply around Sept/Oct, get a job/visa/etc, and come over in January. Most universities wont have a problem with you staying in the teacher accomodation prior to semester start. Then do private teaching primarily until the term starts, and then have it as secondary income.

Language mills take in staff all year around so if you really want experience head that way, just read this board and get an idea of what it will be like. Despite the risks of being screwed, they do generally teach you loads about being a teacher and what to look out for in China ESL.


Could you elaborate on the risks if I start in January? I can then ask these kind of questions to any potential employers and minimise the risks. Thanks.
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Miles Smiles



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would strongly suggest you look for a job starting in September of this year or next. Winter is not the best time to start a new contract imo. To answer your question directly, yes you can start in January....or near there.


Agreed.

If one starts in January/February, the contract may not allow the FT to remain in the school apartment over the summer. Then what?

You may be able to get a one-term contract, but the likelihood that you'll get return airfare is slim. Worse, it's possible that the employer won't get you a one-year residence permit. That will require you to go through all sorts of gyrations to get a new residence permit and/or a new job ( a situation which has been described many times before in this forum).

However, if you do your homework, ask questions, and read the contracts carefully, you might just find a university that will sign a one-year contract starting in January and will allow you to remain on-campus for the summer. Some FAOs will even allow you to work. I've had that experience too. While working in China isn't all Milk and Honey, it isn't all, um, tofu either.
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John28



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miles Smiles wrote:
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I would strongly suggest you look for a job starting in September of this year or next. Winter is not the best time to start a new contract imo. To answer your question directly, yes you can start in January....or near there.


Agreed.

If one starts in January/February, the contract may not allow the FT to remain in the school apartment over the summer. Then what?

You may be able to get a one-term contract, but the likelihood that you'll get return airfare is slim. Worse, it's possible that the employer won't get you a one-year residence permit. That will require you to go through all sorts of gyrations to get a new residence permit and/or a new job ( a situation which has been described many times before in this forum).

However, if you do your homework, ask questions, and read the contracts carefully, you might just find a university that will sign a one-year contract starting in January and will allow you to remain on-campus for the summer. Some FAOs will even allow you to work. I've had that experience too. While working in China isn't all Milk and Honey, it isn't all, um, tofu either.


Pardon me if I sound nieve, however as I have never done this before, I would like to take baby steps to first see if I enjoy the experience. Would it make sense to consider a January start and discuss whether the contract would finish in June / July, at which point I could then return home for the Summer and then consider a year away again from that September (if I am keen to return)? I would hope to save a small amount each month to make it as easy as possible for when I do return (without a job).

I have an interview with a School in Beijing next week, I will make sure I make a list of questions to ask.
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Miles Smiles



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do get a one-term contract, it is more than likely that you won't be reimbursed for airfare coming into china, and you won't be provided with airfare to return. Count on two months' pay lost if you work at a public institution with a BA.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a Job Offer Checklist thread if you can get 'search' to work.
I think your last idea (OP) is good and I'd certainly try for a one way air ticket reimbursement or allowance.
Don't lose sight of the fact that you may enjoy it and want to return.
Also it's a good negotiating strategy to open up the possibility of returning in Sept 2013 for a full one year.
Any school you get into conversation with will tell you what date they will reopen after Spring break and what date classes finish in late June/early July.
You probably won't see any Feb start jobs advertised until December - at least in the state sector.
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siberiantiger



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My university hires new teachers for both February/March and September starts. I was one of five teachers here who started my one-year contract in February/March of last year. While most teachers sign one year contracts, others opt for the six-month contracts for various reasons. (One, for example, is leaving to start a Master's program at Tsinghua Uni.)

The one year contract will give you return airfare but you'll only get one-way airfare with a six-month contract. You can live in the teacher accommodation over the winter and summer breaks and choose to teach then or not.
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