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2 1/2 - month wait on job, now no job. What gives?
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cfaulkner



Joined: 01 Jun 2012
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all. It's good to get great info from a forum like this. I appreciate it. I've already begun applying. Actually, I've been applying off and on since I started the process with this job that just fell through, as I suspected it may. And now it has, surprise, surprise. I have two solid leads that may get me to a job by the end of August. If I run into any time lag, I'll tell the new gig to put me on a freshman class.

It's ironic I've had this experience. The recruiter I was dealing with wanted me to go to China (paying my own way) and he'd set me up quickly at a job in-country. That is easy. But doing it from the USA is supposedly time-consuming.
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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A cautionary tale.
You should always have two or three alternative jobs on the go until ALL the paperwork is completed.
They string you along and your only defense is stringing others along.
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cfaulkner



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Non Seq. I try to maintain that practice, but it's hard to do when the jobs in a country pay such paltry amounts as most in China do. I'll stay home before I'll go to any country that has a genuine winter if the offer is less than about the equivalent of 2000 USD.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well - under 2K US pm is just about all the China state sector!
If you want to 'lifestyle it' in the tropics then Guangzhou or even better Hainan (Sanya) would do it but Hainan jobs seem to be sought after and someone commented recently it was difficult to pick up work in GZ. May be just too late in the season.
To my mind China is a lifestyle option as I could never work out a way of getting an halfway OK salary without a punishing workload including privates and the commute.
My suggestion as others have noted Laughing is Qingdao. It definitely has a winter but with a good summer and beach-type stuff. By which I mean checking out the talent it their itsy bitsies. Nice seaside restaurants down at the old German end of town etc
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cfaulkner



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Non. I'll be sure to focus on Qingdao.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for it!
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The Edge



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laoshi1950 wrote:


I've been working in China for 11 years - like other posters have stated, I have never heard of such a thing as a 'quota' for issuing 'Z' (Work) Visas by province, or nationally.



I've heard it said or heard about it being said to young FT's (usually FOTB's) loads of times mate.
It is quite a popular excuse usually used by some of the less reputable establishments to say that they do not want either an existing or future enployee anymore if the said person does not have an RP or Z visa yet.
Basically, another of the many, many lies that are told here at the bat of an eyelid.
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cfaulkner



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The big question now is why they didn't want me after stringing me along for 2 1/2 months. I will assume I was a reserve possibility in case somebody decided not to choose that school or another teacher there decided to move on. Any ideas as to why they decided to give me this BS story?

The way you all are talking about China makes me wonder if I want to go there. What are the advantages? What I'm really asking is why you guys are there and haven't given the place the middle finger if it's a den of deceit, con games, and what-not.
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chinadad



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the availability of women or no prospects back home
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The Edge



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cfaulkner wrote:
The big question now is why they didn't want me after stringing me along for 2 1/2 months. I will assume I was a reserve possibility in case somebody decided not to choose that school or another teacher there decided to move on. Any ideas as to why they decided to give me this BS story?

The way you all are talking about China makes me wonder if I want to go there. What are the advantages? What I'm really asking is why you guys are there and haven't given the place the middle finger if it's a den of deceit, con games, and what-not.


I am married and live here permanently.
My wife is a Chinese national.
I only teach part time and that is mainly to private students but will occassionally do a school a favour if they are busy.
There is a thing in China called 'face' so they will very rarely admit to making mistakes and will cover up with very poorly constructed untruths to save 'face'.
Do not be downhearted OP.
Treat it as part of a learning curve.
You will love it here when you finally get yourself sorted.
Feel free to use this board for more advice.
There are some good people on here.
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dogUNLEASHED



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
A cautionary tale.
You should always have two or three alternative jobs on the go until ALL the paperwork is completed.
They string you along and your only defense is stringing others along.


Hey guys, the guy at my school e-mailed me the following:

i want to tell you that i've finished all the process of visa application. now just waiting for another paper to be issued. i think i should be able to get it before this coming Wednesday. i will send it to you by Fedex when i have the papers.

Does this sound normal? After reading through this thread, I thought I'd ask.
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wangdaning



Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogUNLEASHED wrote:
Non Sequitur wrote:
A cautionary tale.
You should always have two or three alternative jobs on the go until ALL the paperwork is completed.
They string you along and your only defense is stringing others along.


Hey guys, the guy at my school e-mailed me the following:

i want to tell you that i've finished all the process of visa application. now just waiting for another paper to be issued. i think i should be able to get it before this coming Wednesday. i will send it to you by Fedex when i have the papers.

Does this sound normal? After reading through this thread, I thought I'd ask.


As long as he follows up with an "it has been sent" email I would not worry. Sounds like he has applied for the letter of invitation.
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kungfuman



Joined: 31 May 2012
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogUNLEASHED wrote:
Non Sequitur wrote:
A cautionary tale.
You should always have two or three alternative jobs on the go until ALL the paperwork is completed.
They string you along and your only defense is stringing others along.


Hey guys, the guy at my school e-mailed me the following:

i want to tell you that i've finished all the process of visa application. now just waiting for another paper to be issued. i think i should be able to get it before this coming Wednesday. i will send it to you by Fedex when i have the papers.

Does this sound normal? After reading through this thread, I thought I'd ask.


It's CHINA - NORMAL and ETHICAL don't have the same western meanings here
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dogUNLEASHED



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, thanks for the replies, guys.
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cfaulkner



Joined: 01 Jun 2012
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to thank all of those who posted in this thread. It was very helpful. I've decided to pass on going to China, at least for now. Maybe I'll wait a few years until the salary situation improves. There are more attractive places that pay what China does, and some of the threads in the China forum are downright scary, with all the rip-offs and con games. I'm not going there to relive somebody else's nightmare. The weather isn't good enough, for one, and pollution is too bad, for another. Thailand still looks superior.

Take care.
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