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7969



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miles Smiles wrote:
7969 wrote:
I've never been subject to such things, no-one I've met from other schools has either, and I wouldn't accept this. If any school insisted on limiting my freedom in this way I'd tell them no thank you and tell them why.


I haven't seen one SAFEA public university contract that did NOT cover visitation and overnight guests. You must never have signed an SAFEA contract. Good for you.

Every contract, nine of them at four different schools so far, has been a SAFEA approved contract. No restrictions on visitation. It's unfortunate that you find that too difficult to fathom.

Miles Smiles wrote:
And NONE of your friends have EVER encountered restrictions on apartment visits?

Never. One other foreign teacher here had his gf living with him on campus for two years. Another one, who also posts on this forum, currently lives with his gf on campus. No-one at any of the other three schools I've worked cared to restrict our visitors or comings and goings in any way.

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Every FT at a university job I've ever talked to, or read posts by on this forum, can quite easily arrange every Monday or Friday off just by asking, giving that person long weekends every week. I've never failed at this. In my second term at my job I even managed a 2.5 day workweek, Monday morning to Wednesday noon. Partly by luck partly by making my desires known.

Oh, really? You negotiated this or was it completely by luck?

Where was this? How large was the school?

I'm off to see the Wizard... Rolling Eyes

Geezus man this isn't rocket science and I'm not asking for the world. Find out when the timetables are being prepared and before they come out ask for a long weekend and voila! Good chance of getting it. Not that hard to do and if you don't ask don't blame anyone else. The 2.5 day compressed work week was more luck due to other factors but I still asked for one day off at the start or end of the week, turned out better than I hoped. I also have a multi-media room for every class because *drum roll* I asked for one and one just happened to be available. Currently at a typical state run college. Attitude matters as well in any negotiation. I politely request things I think I have a chance of getting and usually am not disappointed. Other teachers who fail at getting some of these relatively uncomplicated changes made might be using an approach that's counter-productive.
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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:56 pm    Post subject: here's what I want Reply with quote

Thanks, everyone, for sharing this info. Here are the items I am going to ask for if they are not in the contract:

full medical insurance - not just accident coverage
visa and resident permit paid for by the school
meal ticket at least for lunches
use of school facilities such as the gym/pool
high-speed internet connection as part of housing package
I'll also let them know I'm looking for plenty of extra work
I'll see if I can do a 4 day week instead of 5 - never hurts to try

I think these are reasonable based on everyone's comments and other contracts. If you can think of something else, even if I use it as a "throwaway", I'm all ears.

One other thing: I speak pretty good Spanish. Is this something unis can use or do they even care? I'm not good enough to teach a class but I can certainly assist with lower-level learners.

DirtGuy


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7969



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:07 am    Post subject: Re: here's what I want Reply with quote

DirtGuy wrote:
One other thing: I speak pretty good Spanish. Is this something unis can use or do they even care? I'm not good enough to teach a class but I can certainly assist with lower-level learners.

I had some interest from a few people who wanted to learn French a few years ago. I arranged a small impromptu class of three people and they even bought their own textbook. Good so far. We met twice and both times there were so many interruptions, people taking phone calls mostly. We weren't getting anything done because once one phone call finished someone elses phone would ring. We just gave up on it in the end. If you get people to pay for something like this, up front, and treat it like a real class instead of something fun to do then they might be serious about it but otherwise probably not.
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Opiate



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: here's what I want Reply with quote

DirtGuy wrote:

high-speed internet connection as part of housing package
DirtGuy


Specify the speed. "High speed" has no meaning. Do not expect FiOS level quality. You'll likely be stuck with whatever pipe the school has if you live on campus which I am sure will sound impressive....right up until the time you have to use it.
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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:17 am    Post subject: Internet speed Reply with quote

Sorry. Wasn't aware of that. What speed do you suggest? Or should I specify something like "the fastest speed currently available to the University"?

It's just about time to start getting e-mails and Skypes from the recruiters so I'll soon know if all this will work.

Thanks.

DirtGuy
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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dirtyguy,

I suppose that you are within your rights to ask about this 5+ points you have mentioned and you could even discuss the internet. But I'll tell you now that in my opinion it's going to mark as a problem before you arrive.
I have done things like arrive at a school and told them the walls are filthy and need to be painted and asked for other things, but I think you should think carefully about what bones to pick and what isn't worth it. I guess what I'm saying is asking for something now probably means a bit of payback later in some form.

The internet point for example is not worth discussing, you will get whatever the school has setup and that is not really going to change just because you want something better.
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Lobster



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget to ask whether the power is turned off at some point in the evening (e.g. 11 p.m.).

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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if you don't ask for something, you are 100% guaranteed not to get it. If you do, who knows? It's a negotiating drill and I have the most power now - not after I sign the contract. The first 2 items on my list are non-negotiable whereas the others could be throwaways. I'll just play it by ear and see what happens.

As for looking for extra work, the recruiters with whom I've been speaking along with PMs from people on this site all tell me that it's easy to get more work. Some schools have extra work of their own and others, I guess, just turn a blind eye.

Short-listed for job in Chengdu that gives me pretty much everything I want. The pay is only 4,000 (hence privates) and the airfare reimbursement is a bit low. Perhaps I can accept the lower pay in exchange for a higher flight reimbursement. Kind of fun in a way.

DirtGuy
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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtGuy wrote:
It's a negotiating drill and I have the most power now - not after I sign the contract.
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Short-listed for job in Chengdu that gives me pretty much everything I want.
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The pay is only 4,000 (hence privates) and the airfare reimbursement is a bit low.


Your working for 4k and your account on Dave's is from 2004 and you don't know the inns and outs of this business already? I'm confused.
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Mister Al



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt you will get full medical insurance but you can try.
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sirenii



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:37 am    Post subject: To 7969 re: How much $ I'll need with contract benefits Reply with quote

If I accept a contract that includes housing and a meal a day, how much money would you advise I bring with me for the first month? Because I prefer not to be in a big city and my immediate needs would be met, except for food and some apt/studio necessities, and given that the cost of living is somewhat lower, I was hoping maybe $600 would be enough. Is that anywhere near possible? Thanks.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last year I had �500 / 5000 RMB as my start-up money. I dont know the conversion rate to US$, but Im sure you can calculate that.

That was enough for me to live on for 2 months, pretty much without worrying about spending so I was eating out each day.
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Babala



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stuff you will need for your apartment adds up rather quickly. It's also a good idea to have some emergency cash. You just never know what can happen and you never want to be in a place where you are stuck.
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7969



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: To 7969 re: How much $ I'll need with contract benefits Reply with quote

sirenii wrote:
I was hoping maybe $600 would be enough. Is that anywhere near possible? Thanks.

I find when I move to a new place I always spend/waste more money in the beginning because you don't know right away where to get the best deals, and you might find yourself wanting to kit your flat out with some nicer stuff than is already provided. $600 would go pretty fast I think and if that was all you had and some kind of emergency came up you'd be stuck as noted by Babala. Having a credit card to fall back on would make a difference.
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Miles Smiles



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7969 wrote:


Find out when the timetables are being prepared and before they come out ask for a long weekend and voila! Good chance of getting it.


Oh. Okay. Right. Rolling Eyes
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