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rdobbs98



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:25 am    Post subject: Contract Questions Reply with quote

I have heard of Saudi Schools (private) either paying half of the teacher's children's grade school cost, or if you have 4 children like me, they pay 2 you and you pay 2, etc.

Is this pretty standard or do they not offer this? What should one always want in a Saudi contract?

I have one offer that has 48 hours per a 5 day week, that is a concern. Another offer that has 6 hours of teaching plus one hour office work from Saturday to Wednesday. These 6 hours might be in the morning or evening or split to 2 shifts, that concerns me too.

Two offers in Riyadh and one in Jeddah. My sister-in-law and her husband live in Riyadh so that is a plus for us. The pay is good for all, the first two have a good housing allowance in Riyadh, the other one has provided housing.

Thank you in advance.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: Contract Questions Reply with quote

rdobbs98 wrote:
I have one offer that has 48 hours per a 5 day week, that is a concern. Another offer that has 6 hours of teaching plus one hour office work from Saturday to Wednesday. These 6 hours might be in the morning or evening or split to 2 shifts, that concerns me too.

Two offers in Riyadh and one in Jeddah. My sister-in-law and her husband live in Riyadh so that is a plus for us. The pay is good for all, the first two have a good housing allowance in Riyadh, the other one has provided housing.

Then take the third offer that doesn't cause you concern---the one that doesn't include a 48-hour work week or split shifts. As for housing, be aware that if your employer provides accommodation and it's not to your liking, you're stuck in that housing unless you're willing to put out your own money to live somewhere more suitable.

You didn't provide enough info in your post, such as whether these offers are with contractors or are direct hire. Also, what type of visa (employment vs. business visit) would you be getting?
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rdobbs98



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is Iqamas, through recruiters, and still the question about paying full tuition for my children in a school I would be working for? Seems ridiculous to me.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rdobbs98 wrote:
It is Iqamas, through recruiters, and still the question about paying full tuition for my children in a school I would be working for? Seems ridiculous to me.

By "recruiters" I assume you mean contractors, companies that contract with the schools you're to work at. Since you're not a direct-hire employee of these schools, that may be why the contracting companies aren't providing any tuition allowance. Anyway, ridiculous or not, that's what's being offered. It's your decision on which job to take, if any, especially with four children to educate.
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Grendal



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear rdobbs98,

This is out of no disrespect for you and your family, but why are you putting those little innocent souls through the rigors of Saudi Arabia? Couldn't another solution be found? Just concerned about you and your family that's all. No malice intended.

Grendal
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rdobbs98



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thank you for your concern but we are a Muslim family and understand the rigors of such a society. While we have experiences in Pakistan and the United States, Saudi Arabia is an experience we would like to attempt.

For Muslims it is considered part of our journey in life: for Hajj, Ummrah, and to get in touch with our inner faith. My sister-in-law, doctor from Karachi, and her husband, engineer, are in Riyadh and give at least a family link in the Kingdom. They actually feel homesick and are looking forward for us to be with them.

For me I have the best partner, my wife who is also a teacher in Islamic studies, to be part of this. We would not attempt this unless we both felt it would be ok for us and our children. I do not require my wife to wear hijab or abaya but she knows Saudi society will and she is prepared for that. But I do understand your point and take no offense.

So I know all about "inshallah" and the other terms Middle East Muslims use all to frequently and drive those from the West batty.
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EnglishDoYouSpeakIt



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rdobbs98 wrote:
we are a Muslim family
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my wife who is also a teacher in Islamic studies,
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I do not require my wife to wear hijab


A bit off topic but I am confused, you're a muslim family and your wife teaches others about Islam but she doesn't wear a hijab? Also the wording in the last part, you 'don't require' her to wear one? It's a requirement in the religion that she teaches others about isn't it? Women wearing a hijab is fard, right? Or does she just teach Islamic history and she is not religious at all? Sorry to bother you with questions, always interested to learn more about different perspectives.
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rdobbs98



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you truly know Islam, the hijab is not required, modesty is. If you are Wahabbi you do many things you require that are misinterpretations of Islam. However, because my wife's school requires all female teachers to wear hijab in class, she does. As in most Islamic countries, women are treated with less rights than Islam truly gives them, this is wrong and anyone who knows true Islam knows the Quran gives women equal rights. Scholars have given the correct opinion on the women's choice in hijab but salafis and wahabbis of course refuse to listen as always.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps a discussion of the finer points of your religion should be on PMs? While it is interesting to many of us, it could draw posters who will end up getting the thread locked. Wink

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Muhammed Abbas Khan



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:34 am    Post subject: School Tuition Fees Reply with quote

Dear RD,

Please PM to let me know the name of the school. From my short time teaching in Riyadh I know of one school in which you paid 10,000 Saudi Riyals per annum as tuition and that was enough to cover as many children as you had.

The main concern with the school was that the medical care was on such a poor grade as to almost be non-existent. Anyway, if you PM I have a scanned copy of the contract which states that an annual payment of 10,000 Saudi Riyals will cover all your dependants' tuition fees. Also, what is the point of working for this school if they are not able to offer you a concesionary rate on your children's tuition fees.

Regards,

Muhammed Abbas Khan
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xamar



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rdobbs98, this is not a religious forum. Take your opinions on religion somewhere else.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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