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Is There A Typical First Job if You Begin Your ESL in China
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mcloo7



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you, I just ordered the Scrivener book yesterday.
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The Edge



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Accreditations such as CELTA are not required in China unless you want to enter into the upper echelons.
A bachelor degree will more than suffice if accompanied with a basic TEFL cert for entry positions.
Don't waste your money on CELTA for China.
Other countries: YES.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I never did teacher training for China. I did it for me, to be a better teacher, to be more aware of what I should do and why. Im actually starting a DELTA course this month, again ... not for China, but for me.

I would still suggest its a worthwhile investment for anyone, regardless of location, although its value could be weighted against the type of teaching. Probably not much use for teaching kindy for example.

Anything less than a CELTA is a waste of time and money. Avoid.
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The Edge



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Denim-Maniac wrote:
I never did teacher training for China. I did it for me, to be a better teacher, to be more aware of what I should do and why. Im actually starting a DELTA course this month, again ... not for China, but for me.

I would still suggest its a worthwhile investment for anyone, regardless of location, although its value could be weighted against the type of teaching. Probably not much use for teaching kindy for example.

Anything less than a CELTA is a waste of time and money. Avoid.


That's rubbish if you are trying to make it applicable to China.
For other countries, I 100% concur.
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mcloo7



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I understand that you may not need it for China but what if you have no experience and no clue how to teach? Don't you have to do something? And from what Ive heard alot of the cheap TEFL courses are really a waste of money.
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7969



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
mcloo7 wrote:
I understand that you may not need it for China but what if you have no experience and no clue how to teach? Don't you have to do something?

Then take the course. A few posters have already suggested that.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
^^^ agree.

To some degree, perhaps taking a CELTA is more important for those in China that those elsewhere! Lets face it, most jobs in China are not very likely to offer any training of preparation, any mentoring, or any real support. On that basis, taking an entry-level course like a CELTA or Trinity prepares someone with a lot of the basic tools needed to enter a classroom and deliver something like a lesson. My own first experience in China was in a middle school, and my training was little more than being sent into a classroom for 20 minutes with the instruction, 'Just speak English to them'.
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ecubyrd



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Denim-Maniac wrote:
^^^ agree.

To some degree, perhaps taking a CELTA is more important for those in China that those elsewhere! Lets face it, most jobs in China are not very likely to offer any training of preparation, any mentoring, or any real support. On that basis, taking an entry-level course like a CELTA or Trinity prepares someone with a lot of the basic tools needed to enter a classroom and deliver something like a lesson. My own first experience in China was in a middle school, and my training was little more than being sent into a classroom for 20 minutes with the instruction, 'Just speak English to them'.


Does CELTA give some sort of kickback for referrals or something?

Denim-Maniac wrote:

If I have a CELTA, I have a chance at turning into a decent EFL instructor. Without it, slim or no chance, I'm not a certified teacher and had no real training.


Your quote from before that makes more sense now.

OP, as 7969, said it's not rocket science. As Edge said, it's not needed for any entry level job here. As, Denim said, it would benefit you if you have no idea whatsoever to do in a classroom. Now, if spending that much money is worth it to you to do something that you aren't sure it you would want to do long term, then by all means do it.

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