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kungfuman



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL.Professor.Roger wrote:
I will be out of pocket for startup costs for a week, since I am going over early to make sure the apartment is appropriate, properly furnished and stocked, with all utils including 'Net functional.

Let's move on, shall we?


You believe this? have you not read threads where a contract says "Fully Stocked Apartment" and when the teacher arrives they find a hot plate a cracked bowl, a used spoon and a refrigerator that may hold a 6 pack? Not to mention the other appliances don't work but the school is "getting around" to fixing them?

Horror stories abound in China dude and don't think they won't happen to you as a majority of the teachers I have met in China have past and present stories to share.

The school I just left has horror stories regarding past teachers working there. On tourist visa, schools raided and the teachers got nailed and the school didn't back them and they wound up paying tens of thousands of rmb in fines.

This year they fired a teacher a month and a day before the end of the contract so they didn't have to pay him airfare and salary and totally ripped him off.

Horror stories man.

Unless you can speak directly to current or former teachers don't believe anything and unless you are coated in Teflon don't believe it can't happen to you.
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ESL.Professor.Roger



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kungfuman wrote:

< snip rant >


Given this, what steps do you think I should be taking to minimize these issues?
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kungfuman



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL.Professor.Roger wrote:
kungfuman wrote:

< snip rant >


Given this, what steps do you think I should be taking to minimize these issues?


Pray for the best but prepare for the worst. Word Up Brother.
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ESL.Professor.Roger



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kungfuman wrote:
ESL.Professor.Roger wrote:

Given this, what steps do you think I should be taking to minimize these issues?

Pray for the best but prepare for the worst. Word Up Brother.

That's the plan, Brother Man.
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ESL.Professor.Roger



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Just so you know: Reply with quote

I'm here in Nanjing, and y'all were right, there wasn't a check waiting.






It was a corporate credit card, to which I've been instructed to charge all start-up costs, inc. the hotel I am in until the apartment I chose today is ready, early next week. We go out tomorrow or maybe the next day to get the SIM for my cell (quad-band, to avoid *that* discussion) and a bus card (stops right in front of the school, and at the end of the block that my place is at). I haven't been to Xuzhou yet, but I hardly think it's going to be a h*llhole given how well I've been treated here.

Did I mention the Dell notebook (except for the screen, mine's better and lighter -- and I have my big LCD for home anyway. It was a nice gesture) and wireless broadband dongle (2GB / mo, paid until next year)?

Thanks to those whose advice was helpful. And thanks to those who weren't so helpful as well -- the reminder that bad behaviour doesn't depend on ethnicity was not something I had forgotten, but the last group made me focus on that fact.


Now, if someone had just mentioned that Chinese mattresses might as well be plywood....
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL.Professor.Roger,

Thanks for the follow-up, and for letting us know how well you are being treated.
It is nice to hear about the positive experiences.

The hard beds seem to be in every Chinese house and hotel.
I was skeptical about them when I first arrived in China, but my previously aching back has not bothered me at all since my arrival in China.
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ESL.Professor.Roger



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give the bed a fair chance, but at first I thought they'd forgotten the mattress and just had a box springs there.

And oi! My feet! Swelled up during the flight(s) and then all of the walking -- but there's a massage place down and across the street from home ("not 'sexy' massage.." my Chinese TA was quick to reassure me) that I'm probably going to check out later this week.

There's a food market downstairs around the other side of my building, and "safe street food" a couple of blocks over in addition to a bunch of little hole in the wall places to check out if I don't want to cook. A couple of huge department stores (Walmart style, but bigger) a couple of stops down, which is also the location of the local movie house, I'm fourish blocks from the river with what I'm told is a very pretty park...

All in all, as the song goes, "I think I'm going to like it here..."
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off to a good start. Glad to hear it. There'll likely be a few problems down the rood, don't fret too much, happens to all of us.
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fred13331



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you didn't get paid - people tried and tried to tell you 'You will not get paid on August 20th'', and you just wouldn't have it. I am now tempted to tell you to be wary of this credit card, but whats the point? They lied to you, then told you they would pay you a full salary - and they didn't. I am not surprised, but, seems you are not miffed? "Oh, by the way, we are not paying you the month we promised you''.

They should pay for your hotel etc anyway. Most places do. Internet fees = 30 rmb a month, so, thats not exactly compensation for a months salary. Plus 2 of my 3 universities to date have supplied computers. They are not really giving you anything out of the ordinary, but, they are stiffing you the promised months salary.
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ESL.Professor.Roger



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fred13331 wrote:
So you didn't get paid - people tried and tried to tell you 'You will not get paid on August 20th'', and you just wouldn't have it. I am now tempted to tell you to be wary of this credit card, but whats the point? They lied to you, then told you they would pay you a full salary - and they didn't. I am not surprised, but, seems you are not miffed? "Oh, by the way, we are not paying you the month we promised you''.

They should pay for your hotel etc anyway. Most places do. Internet fees = 30 rmb a month, so, thats not exactly compensation for a months salary. Plus 2 of my 3 universities to date have supplied computers. They are not really giving you anything out of the ordinary, but, they are stiffing you the promised months salary.


I'm gong to give you a topic now. You will speak on this topic for two minutes. If you go longer than two minutes, I may stop you. You will be given a minute to think about your answer first, and you may take notes to help you. Do you understand these instructions?

Good.

Your topic is: "What is the practical difference between a paper check (which are not issued to anyone anyway, even after years of service -- that much was was my assumption but everything is direct deposit -- but which I would have had to then jump through hoops to cash given that I did not have at the time of issuance a Chinese bank account) and a bank card which I started using immediately (including after hours at an ATM so I had a couple hundred quai in my pocket) and whose bill for the two months I will carry it I am explicitly and in writing not responsible for paying for paying?"

< a minute >

You may begin speaking now.

Once again, you mistake me: I am "leery" of everything. I don't just reject out of hand what I may not fully understand based on the b*tching of some anonymous yahoo on teh Interwebs who has not seen my contract, nor interacted F2F or in a business capacity with any of the people of several nationalities I have done.

No, I don't feel I was lied to: I have money which was made available to me and which I will not have to give back. To me, that's a working definition of either charity (which the company in not engaged in) or compensation.

To make you happy, I *have* been asked, for business reasons which are irrelevant to this discussion, to change from a commute to Suzhou which would have given me a long weekend every weekend to weekends and Wednesdays off, and a bus (!) ride to Lian Yun Gang. I am not the only teacher being asked to shuffle, and while I think there could have been advanced planning to avoid the last-minute nature of it all, I can see their side of it.

But I'm not happy with the change, the loss of the extra weekend day or the long bus ride, while still counting it overall a positive experience for *me*.

YMMV, but I note that you are one of the ones quick to criticize, but not so much on the "here's advice to avoid or minimize this issue".

The latter is far more useful.
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ecubyrd



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL.Professor.Roger wrote:

YMMV, but I note that you are one of the ones quick to criticize, but not so much on the "here's advice to avoid or minimize this issue".

The latter is far more useful.


Congrats on the positive experience so far, OP.

You will find that there are several posters that just can't except (envy (?)) the fact that there are people that are much more well off than they possibly are.

Enjoy China!
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fred13331



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL.Professor.Roger wrote:
fred13331 wrote:
So you didn't get paid - people tried and tried to tell you 'You will not get paid on August 20th'', and you just wouldn't have it. I am now tempted to tell you to be wary of this credit card, but whats the point? They lied to you, then told you they would pay you a full salary - and they didn't. I am not surprised, but, seems you are not miffed? "Oh, by the way, we are not paying you the month we promised you''.

They should pay for your hotel etc anyway. Most places do. Internet fees = 30 rmb a month, so, thats not exactly compensation for a months salary. Plus 2 of my 3 universities to date have supplied computers. They are not really giving you anything out of the ordinary, but, they are stiffing you the promised months salary.


I'm gong to give you a topic now. You will speak on this topic for two minutes. If you go longer than two minutes, I may stop you. You will be given a minute to think about your answer first, and you may take notes to help you. Do you understand these instructions?

Good.

Your topic is: "What is the practical difference between a paper check (which are not issued to anyone anyway, even after years of service -- that much was was my assumption but everything is direct deposit -- but which I would have had to then jump through hoops to cash given that I did not have at the time of issuance a Chinese bank account) and a bank card which I started using immediately (including after hours at an ATM so I had a couple hundred quai in my pocket) and whose bill for the two months I will carry it I am explicitly and in writing not responsible for paying for paying?"

< a minute >

You may begin speaking now.

Once again, you mistake me: I am "leery" of everything. I don't just reject out of hand what I may not fully understand based on the b*tching of some anonymous yahoo on teh Interwebs who has not seen my contract, nor interacted F2F or in a business capacity with any of the people of several nationalities I have done.

No, I don't feel I was lied to: I have money which was made available to me and which I will not have to give back. To me, that's a working definition of either charity (which the company in not engaged in) or compensation.

To make you happy, I *have* been asked, for business reasons which are irrelevant to this discussion, to change from a commute to Suzhou which would have given me a long weekend every weekend to weekends and Wednesdays off, and a bus (!) ride to Lian Yun Gang. I am not the only teacher being asked to shuffle, and while I think there could have been advanced planning to avoid the last-minute nature of it all, I can see their side of it.

But I'm not happy with the change, the loss of the extra weekend day or the long bus ride, while still counting it overall a positive experience for *me*.

YMMV, but I note that you are one of the ones quick to criticize, but not so much on the "here's advice to avoid or minimize this issue".

The latter is far more useful.


I thought I made it clear - let me try again.

The difference, the crucial difference is, that they should pay your hotel and other start up costs anyway. This is a separate issue.

Have you been told to pay the hotel etc. from this card. Did they tell you you may also withdraw take your 9,000 salary? I guess not.

Let me simplify - You received hotel plus pocket money.

According to what you signed you are entitled to hotel plus a months salary.

Can you see the difference yet?


' but I note that you are one of the ones quick to criticize, but not so much on the "here's advice to avoid or minimize this issue''

You have been offered sage, and, as it turned out, truthful advice before, and rejected it out of hand. Why should i waste effort offering further?
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twilothunder



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hard beds (and hard pillows) - I hated them at first, absolutely HATED them.

You get used to them and now when I go back to the UK and sleep on a soft mattress, I get weird back pains the whole day after - just a general discomfort.

Hard beds are supposedly way better for your back, and now I prefer them. Stick with them IMO.
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Miajiayou



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"What is the practical difference between a paper check (which are not issued to anyone anyway, even after years of service -- that much was was my assumption but everything is direct deposit -- but which I would have had to then jump through hoops to cash given that I did not have at the time of issuance a Chinese bank account) and a bank card which I started using immediately (including after hours at an ATM so I had a couple hundred quai in my pocket) and whose bill for the two months I will carry it I am explicitly and in writing not responsible for paying for paying?"



You are right in that no one is ever given a paper check anymore. Cash is given here. If you were given a card that contained the exact amount of your salary for the two months you would carry it, I would say that your employers were smart. They had managed to procure a "gift card" for your exact salary amount for much, much less. We are regularly given cards of 500 or 1000RMB value that I am sure my boss gets for a simple phone call. Since you seem to have been given a card with an unlimited amount of money that you are "not responsible for paying", I will say: Congratulations, you are working for the Chinese mafia. Watch your back.
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