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Captain Willard
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If you are waiting for work on campus then yes they should be paying you. If you're waiting at home, no they don't have to pay you. Of course, there are some 'grey areas' that are decided by your employer...probably they make it up as they go 
Why do people continue working with this company...seems crazy that people would put up with such crap!!! Just say no to EdEx! |
They should be paying once the employee has arrived in KSA. However, since EdEx is bringing people over on work visit visas, the employee has no enforceable rights. So EdEx can make up whatever rules and laws it wants.
The work visit visa requires much trust in the employer. Future recruits should consider if EdEx is worth the risk. |
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cmp45
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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First off VS...I doubt anyone can say they've been 'dragged' here. People come here willingly enough. (may have to drag the spouse and children) 
Regarding teaching and payment...yes, You are paid a monthly salary, but not always starting the day you touch down into the country ...it may kick in the first day you set foot on campus. Usually they try to get you in the day after you land, but sometimes if you arrive on a weekend they may not pay you until the day you have signed in offically...meaning they don't pay you for the weekend you arrived. Obviously this type of thing differs from place to place.
Basically, I was talking about times where you are not actually teaching, as an example: mid term non-teaching week or times right before or after a school year...we are expected to come into work...actually during those times we have to sign in to ensure we are on campus ...even if only for a few hours. If we don't they can withhold money for those days you did not come into work.
Technically they should pay you even if there are no classes to teach, but once again there are shady employers that will do what they can to shaft the teacher out of their money...I guess they usually expect that you be on campus and not hanging out at home. Guess it looks better that way and justifies paying you even if there is nothing to do. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| Basically, I was talking about times where you are not actually teaching, as an example: mid term non-teaching week or times right before or after a school year...we are expected to come into work...actually during those times we have to sign in to ensure we are on campus ...even if only for a few hours. If we don't they can withhold money for those days you did not come into work. |
I was always paid from the day I arrived in a country. Since they arranged my arrival, that is my first contract day. Mid semester breaks are for both teachers and students, so I never went into the office except to pick up mail. (those were the good old days... now I would have no reason. )
Seriously these employers are a disgrace to the field of education... more good reasons to try to avoid these Saudi employers.
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naturegirl321
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I warned my friend about EdEx, but her husband ended up taking the job. He's in Saudi now and their (wife and daughter) temporary visas have been approved. They're good for 3 months.
Now it sounds like they're goign to have to do visa runs since they have temporary visas. Or do you think EdEx is changing for the better? |
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Grendal
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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Location: Lurking in the depths of the Faisaliah Tower underground parking.
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(FL)EDEX have the humanities side of KSU PYP. It is considered as the Saudi moron student's wing of prep year for the ones who couldn't make it into the sciences.
Good luck trying to keep them awake and engaged in class.
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Fernwood
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:44 am Post subject: |
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First off VS...I doubt anyone can say they've been 'dragged' here. People come here willingly enough. (may have to drag the spouse and children)
Regarding teaching and payment...yes, You are paid a monthly salary, but not always starting the day you touch down into the country ...it may kick in the first day you set foot on campus. Usually they try to get you in the day after you land, but sometimes if you arrive on a weekend they may not pay you until the day you have signed in offically...meaning they don't pay you for the weekend you arrived. Obviously this type of thing differs from place to place.
Basically, I was talking about times where you are not actually teaching, as an example: mid term non-teaching week or times right before or after a school year...we are expected to come into work...actually during those times we have to sign in to ensure we are on campus ...even if only for a few hours. If we don't they can withhold money for those days you did not come into work.
Technically they should pay you even if there are no classes to teach, but once again there are shady employers that will do what they can to shaft the teacher out of their money...I guess they usually expect that you be on campus and not hanging out at home. Guess it looks better that way and justifies paying you even if there is nothing to do. |
Even if there is no teaching going on and you sit around and sleep, you have to show up to get paid. If you show up to campus, you get paid. If you do not, then you don't. In any country it's the same. They won't pay you to be elsewhere.
I know several teachers working for Ed Ex over the summer and they are doing NOTHING and getting paid. They have to get on the bus every morning and turn up to the school. Why should they stay at home and collect a salary? At least they are 'available' if they are on the campus and perhaps that is what the company is paying for, your time. I don't see the problem there.
Your salary should begin when you board your flight. It's not even when you land in the country because your flight can be two days. You are to be back dated to the travel, which they book for you. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Fernwood wrote: |
Even if there is no teaching going on and you sit around and sleep, you have to show up to get paid. If you show up to campus, you get paid. If you do not, then you don't. In any country it's the same. They won't pay you to be elsewhere. |
Not true in "any country." This is education that we are talking about, not office workers. In the US, your contract/agreement specifies that you must be in your classes, 2-3 office hours that you choose, and attend departmental meetings.
Other than that, you can be sitting by the pool, quaffing a cool one, and correcting papers or reading a book if you wish.
And you get paid for every day of every month of your agreement. It is only most employers these days in the Middle East who treat us like office or factory workers. We are not building widgets or answering the phone for customers, and we should not be treated as if we are.
VS
(universities with real ties to American universities tend to use a system that shows us some respect as adult professionals in education.) |
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ickle_moose
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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I recently had an interview with Edex (before I knew about them, I have a job without them now!) for a post at KSA. I was told I passed the interview, everything was great, congratulations etc etc. They said they were emailing me the contract as soon as they got off the phone. Then.... nothing. No response to emails, no contract, no answer when I called.....
It just seemed like they put in a lot of effort for no return. Can't understand why they even bothered. |
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fledex
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Just got a call from a firm in Saudi hiring for Edex. They wanted to interview me after seeing my resume. Some other recruiter must have passed them my name, And here i was claiming a badge of honor for being on their "blacklist". Grendel, the humanities students weren't as moronic as the expat administrators at Edex. |
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Central Command
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| fledex wrote: |
| Just got a call from a firm in Saudi hiring for Edex. They wanted to interview me after seeing my resume. Some other recruiter must have passed them my name, And here i was claiming a badge of honor for being on their "blacklist". Grendel, the humanities students weren't as moronic as the expat administrators at Edex. |
Some teachers have returned with some visa horror stories. Seems EdEx has screwed quite a few teachers for various reasons. Of course, it's always the teacher's fault!
The thing I can't fathom is that EdEx management is ALWAYS screwing up, not to mention the pinhead management at PYP. Student's are too lazy to try to learn, but only teachers are held accountable for anything. Teacher's can literally be fired at the drop of a hat for just about any reason. |
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CAPIVARA
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:31 am Post subject: Do a web search on the name of the big boss of Ed Experts... |
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You can find some information about the good doctor in charge, and his work history in the US, prior to his going to the magic or tragic kingdom. I was supposed to go a year ago, and glad that things didnt work out- i was only out of about 4 hundred dollars to pay for my own visa before i went, they refused to, against company policy. I was also told that wife visa could be arranged after I was "in country" LOL.  |
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Linguist
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Not true in "any country." This is education that we are talking about, not office workers. In the US, your contract/agreement specifies that you must be in your classes, 2-3 office hours that you choose, and attend departmental meetings.
Other than that, you can be sitting by the pool, quaffing a cool one, and correcting papers or reading a book if you wish.
And you get paid for every day of every month of your agreement. It is only most employers these days in the Middle East who treat us like office or factory workers. We are not building widgets or answering the phone for customers, and we should not be treated as if we are.
VS
(universities with real ties to American universities tend to use a system that shows us some respect as adult professionals in education.) |
Thank you VS for correcting Fernwood and highlighting this issue. The fact is that PY unqualified slaves are treated just as factory workers. Think about it, there is no difference between the two species anyway. |
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fledex
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Some things just keep getting worse, never any better. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Only work for these people if you are desperate and sleeping on a park bench. |
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fledex
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| Only work for these people if you are desperate and sleeping on a park bench. |
Some of my colleagues there had been, figuratively speaking (well, nearly literal). |
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