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getDM
Joined: 05 Jul 2012
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Location: Taipei, Taiwan
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Hello Scot47
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I hope this isn't bad-forum-behaviour - please forgive me if so, I am new to forums.
I posted it in multiple forums because I am looking for teachers in all parts of Asia. These are the nationalities my current students communicate with.
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| Is the OP writing a PhD ??????????????????????/ |
Ha ha! No chance! (academia is not for me, real world is.)
I'm just trying to get my students the resources they need.
Do you hold a discussion class which could provide a few minutes of speech from a few students? |
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getDM
Joined: 05 Jul 2012
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Location: Taipei, Taiwan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure what your idea is shaping up to be but you might consider focusing on business English first and possibly branching out from there. As Spiral writes, many, many people in Europe use English in their daily jobs. |
Hello Sparks
Thanks for your comment, noted. The majority of my students are Business orientated, but we discuss all topics to keep the lessons fresh. I'm lucky they have wide interests, and appreciate that an awareness of world events is important in all communication.
regards, David |
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getDM
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Hello Shroob
Among other points, this is hugely interesting to me:
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More likely is that they would go into a business where they are communicating with Africans or Saudis.
I recently had a student friend spend a month in Guangzhou for a company doing just that - using English to speak to Saudis. |
Wow, this goes further in illustrating my case than anything I could have said. It encapsulates exactly why I'm doing this.
Hence, I'm looking for teachers to collaborate with, to give our students access to English spoken with non-native accents.
Could you please put me in touch with your friends? I'm in Taiwan, so hopefully there would be something mutually beneficial.
regards, David
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getDM
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Hello Glenski
I concur:
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| Yes, my students are Japanese but nationality doesn't enter into the equation. |
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getDM
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Hello Sashadroogie
This is fairly major!:
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| Plenty of Russians use English for international business transactions. This is even becoming true within areas of the CIS. The Baltics Republics too generally are dispensing with Russian in favour of English. |
From limited experience, I'd describe the Russian accent to be fairly thick (hearing from my TWese students.) Do your students have similar problems understanding other nationalities? |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| getDM wrote: |
Hello Scot47
| scot47 wrote: |
| This post appears everywhere |
I hope this isn't bad-forum-behaviour - please forgive me if so, I am new to forums.
I posted it in multiple forums because I am looking for teachers in all parts of Asia. These are the nationalities my current students communicate with.
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There is a general Asia forum, you know.
You also complained in the Japan forum for lack of responses.
Sticking to few forums is preferred. |
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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Location: under da sea
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Yes. Although French is the primary language here, English courses are generally taken by mixed linguistic backgrounds (since bilingualism is the bare essential for living in Montreal - 3 or 4+ languages is in demand).
English is also used as lingua franca in my French class too. Whenever students aren't able to properly communicate their thoughts in French, they will switch to English (the class is a mix of English, Spanish, and Chinese speakers). |
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getDM
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Hello Santi84
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| English is also used as lingua franca in my French class too. Whenever students aren't able to properly communicate their thoughts in French, they will switch to English (the class is a mix of English, Spanish, and Chinese speakers). |
Sounds lively! (but frustrating for you, as a french teacher?) |
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erikashatz
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:00 am Post subject: Lingua Franca - Creative Assignments |
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I like this thread and the topic is on my mind. I'm in Vietnam. I've heard South East Asian tourists (not Vietnamese) speaking functional English as Lingua Franca with local vendors. And they are communicating, although it was difficult for me to follow all the English.
It's realistic to teach students, and ourselves, functionality. I'd assign students to brainstorm where they can hear people speaking English with different accents, and then create listening assignments and comprehension checks from there. |
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getDM
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Lingua Franca - Creative Assignments |
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Hello Erikashatz
Thanks for joining the discussion.
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| I've heard South East Asian tourists (not Vietnamese) speaking functional English as Lingua Franca with local vendors |
Completely - I remember a story of a German telling his Italian hosts "If you want to sell something to me, then learn German"(!) Whatever an opinion on this, I think it's fair to say that trade can be a great stimulus to learn a language. Hence, my students - maybe not trade, but business, definitely.
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| I'd assign students... |
I agree, unfortunately my TWese students work 12hours days, so assignments beyond class never get done.
Please stay in touch - I'd be keen to hear more from VN |
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erikashatz
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:35 am Post subject: Re: Lingua Franca - Creative Assignments |
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OK GetDM and colleagues,
Where can such audio (e.g. people speaking English with different accent) be found, online or otherwise, and brought in to the classroom as authentic material? And, how to get a mix of various accents.
Am I still getting at your original post, GetDM? |
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getDM
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Lingua Franca - Creative Assignments |
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Hello again E, here are my thoughts:
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| Where can such audio (e.g. people speaking English with different accent) be found, online or otherwise, and brought in to the classroom as authentic material? |
This is, indeed, the problem. Looking online has given me very little so let's make our own. If we could get enough contributors then we can build our own library of nationalities. I can record and draw material from TWese, you can draw the same from VNese, and we can update it often, on various topics.
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| And, how to get a mix of various accents. |
Well, I don't know about VN but TW has no 'mix' of nationalities - all my classes are purely TWese. Classes in the US/UK/Canada (ie - native english) countries have mixed nationalities, but I expect one nationality is the norm for most places around the world.
Hence, this call for teachers around the world...... |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Authentic listening material is everywhere. Start with CNN or news programs from various countries. The problem is that the authenticity is news chatter, not conversational language, as well as the vocabulary. If your students are up to it, ok, but most beginners and low intermediates are not.
Movie commercials, TV commercials from around the world also offer various accents, but are they authentic conversational language?
Start here, too.
http://www.usingenglish.com/links/Listening/ |
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