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JerkyBoy
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 Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:56 am Post subject: Working on a Business Visa |
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JerkyBoy
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Dudes/ dudettes,
This is urgent!!! |
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choudoufu
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Zimmer
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Dudes/ dudettes,
This is urgent!!! |
You mean teaching on a business visa? I wouldn't recommend it. If you take a job at a school that can't get you a proper visa that would be a massive red flag to me. But that's just me. |
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JerkyBoy
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| You mean teaching on a business visa? I wouldn't recommend it. If you take a job at a school that can't get you a proper visa that would be a massive red flag to me. But that's just me. |
This is a legit organisation. Well established, even.
They said it is due to the time constraints - I saw the ad, applied, was offered the job and the job starts soon. From the time I applied to the time I would need to start work is around 2 weeks altogether, so I can see why.
But where would leave me legally?
A friend has worked in Shanghai and he says that dealing with employers in China can be a tricky affair at the best if times.
I am a total newbie ... I had not seriously considered moving to China until about a week ago and so I have done no homework and know nothing really.
Upping and moving to a new country on the spur of the moment is a big decision and it could go either of two ways. I am certainly apprehensive. |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| I am a total newbie ... I had not seriously considered moving to China until about a week ago and so I have done no homework and know nothing really. |
Well, here's your assignment: read the archives of this forum and inform yourself. You might have to go past page 1 for the answers. If you still have unanswered questions, ask. |
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Zimmer
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| JerkyBoy wrote: |
| Zimmer wrote: |
| You mean teaching on a business visa? I wouldn't recommend it. If you take a job at a school that can't get you a proper visa that would be a massive red flag to me. But that's just me. |
This is a legit organisation. Well established, even.
They said it is due to the time constraints - I saw the ad, applied, was offered the job and the job starts soon. From the time I applied to the time I would need to start work is around 2 weeks altogether, so I can see why.
But where would leave me legally?
A friend has worked in Shanghai and he says that dealing with employers in China can be a tricky affair at the best if times.
I am a total newbie ... I had not seriously considered moving to China until about a week ago and so I have done no homework and know nothing really.
Upping and moving to a new country on the spur of the moment is a big decision and it could go either of two ways. I am certainly apprehensive. |
So do they want you to come on the business visa then change it later? If that's the case then I suppose the question is how much do you trust them to do that? Or to be able to do that. You may have to leave the country to get the proper visa, I don't know.
Have you talked to any of their current teachers? They could probably tell you how reliable the school is. |
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roadwalker
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| Short answer: with an invitation letter for you to pick up a work visa, they have invested in you and are accepting some responsibility for you vis a vis the government. With any other visa, they aren't and can take you or leave you high and dry. Don't buy a used car or a carpet under a time limit. Same with an EFL job. |
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twilothunder
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Dudes/ dudettes,
This is urgent!!! |
Moron. |
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johntpartee
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| They said it is due to the time constraints - I saw the ad, applied, was offered the job and the job starts soon. From the time I applied to the time I would need to start work is around 2 weeks altogether, so I can see why. |
I can't (see why, that is). Three days is USUALLY enough time to get a Z visa to get you into the country. Once you get here, the school starts the process of making you "legal", i.e., health card, FEC, RP, etc. The F visa circumvents all of that but you have to do some "juggling", e.g., you are not paid "wages" you are granted a "stipend" for your "services". It's dead dodgy and not worth the trouble. |
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kungfuman
Joined: 31 May 2012
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Get an F VISA for one year and for a 90 day stay. Same cost as any other visa.
BUT make sure the school will pick up all the costs for the trip to HK.
Regardless of what the Holier-than-thou posters write you can get an F visa if that's what time permits BUT pay attention to all the negative threads about the dangers and horror stories.
You are a big boy and can make your own decisions. As long as you know the risks then it is YOUR choice to take them or not.
Many people have come to China on an F Visa for whatever reason and survived it.
When I first came here I was in the same boat - time constraints and they said come on a tourist visa etc. I came on an F Visa and worked for about 70 days before they sent me to HK. it was ok. Good thing was school couldn't control me - if I didn't like it I could leave freely. And by the way I HATED my first school and considered leaving every day. |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong
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| He did ask if working on an F visa was recommended, and most people are saying "no." I too worked on an F visa once, and it was the one time the school tried to shaft me of end of contract bonuses (and salary). This sound advice - to not work on an F visa - can of course be ignored . . . . |
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