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Reflecting on your language experiences
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Augustus



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reflecting on your language experiences Reply with quote

Hello,

I've come across a question on an application form asking me reflect on your own experience(s) of language learning. Describe and evaluate these experiences and suggest ways in which it (or they) could have been improved.

I'm not sure what they are looking for in this question really - partly that can I empathise with learners but otherwise I'm not sure.

Aug
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd assume they're asking you to relate how awful your French or Spanish or whatever language classes were when you were a schoolkid, and how much better Communicative Language Teaching or whatever your potential employer is pushing (the former of which you'll learn something about during the CELTA course) is compared to that.

Of course, if you('ve) actually manage(d) to learn a foreign language to a non-trivial level, whether by yourself or in classes somewhere, you could possibly tell them about that too, and what worked or seems to work for you, but try not to sound too much like e.g. a grammar freak (what with all the book recommendations in your other thread! Wink).


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Augustus



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great. I will try to keep that in mind when I complete that part of the application.

I've completed the entire three pages of application tasks but am struggling with one question ......

Correct the following typical mistakes; explain the mistake in terms of grammar.

Sarah drinks in the bar at the moment. - not sure how this is wrong


I am liking this course. -- should be enjoying or I enjoy but I dont know how to explain why its wrong.

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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Augustus,

It should be "Sarah is drinking in the bar at the moment"

The present simple tense (Sarah drinks) usually indicates a usual action (e.g. Sarah drinks in the bar every night) whereas the present continuous /progressive tense indicates an action going on right now (i.e. "at the moment") or a "not usual" action.


I am liking - should be "I like this course." The problem here is that "like" is a "non- continuous" (or non-progressive) verb. It is not used in any of the continuous/progressive tenses, only in the simple tenses.

Regards,
John
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I misread the 'Sarah' as 'Sasha' LOL. Makes a change for it to be a bar and not a park bench! Very Happy
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh... Fluffy, get it right - first is coming the bar drinking, and next is coming the park bench. Doesn't work the other way round. A very good example of a non-commutative property : )

To the OP, that is not a linguistic term: don't search for it!
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Augustus wrote:


I am liking this course. -- should be enjoying or I enjoy but I dont know how to explain why its wrong.

Aug


As Johnslat has pointed out, there are some verbs which are only very rarely used in the continuous form ( ~ing). The technical term for them is 'state' verbs, or even 'stative' verbs. Should be easy to find in any grammar reference index.

The basic idea is that these verbs convey a state, an emotion, a characteristic, rather than an action or something dynamic. So we can say "Sasha is breaking bottles in the hall" because this is clearly a dynamic event which only exists for a limited time - it starts, and it stops. The action happens between two clear points in time. On the other hand, we say "Sasha adores vodka" because this is not really an action, but describes a feeling, or general characteristic. Also, it is always true! It does not stop and start. That is why we'd never say "Sasha is adoring vodka." It is not for a limited time - trust me!

Usually verbs to do with the senses, e.g. smell, see, hear, taste, do not usually take a continuous form. Neither do verbs connected to the heart, or brain, e.g. love, like, hate, adore, despise, think, believe, understand etc. Whenever you do see a continuous form for these verbs, the meaning has probably been changed significantly. Compare for example:

Sasha sees Tanya.

Sasha is seeing Tanya.


In the first, the sentence is describing the function of my eyes. In the second sentence, we learn that I have a romantic relationship with the lovely Tanya, and meet her off and on - quite possibly for just a limited time, as is the way of the average EFL professional, hic!

Hope that helps.


Best of luck to you
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I enjoyed reading Fluffy Hamster's cynical take on this, I think the point is to provoke insight into the needs of learners.
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