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[Sashadroogie]

Interesting article on US students. Perhaps comparisons or contrasts can be made with our situations in EFL?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20756247

[Glenski]

"You need to believe that you can go out and do something but that's not the same as thinking that you're great,"

This is about the only real point I could find that fits EFL students.

The rest about narcissism make me feel like the researchers said about such people -- pity.

[Sashadroogie]

I suppose we could widen the comparisons to teachers in EFL, not just students.

[scot47]

When does "self-confidence" become "arrogance" ? 'Pride goeth before a fall,' as we read in Scripture !

[johnslat]

Dear Sasha,

Could this be called the MEMEME meme?

Regards,
John

[golsa]

The only narcissists I've encountered during my one year TEFLing have been westerners and westernized Asians. Then again, I spent most of the last year working in villages in Georgia. Villages and their associated traditional lifestyles are built around a culture of character, which results in people who are the exact opposite of narcissists.

Having spent the last year among the least narcissistic people I've ever really changed my life and world view. It's now quite jarring to associate with many westerners.

[Sashadroogie]

Dear Johnslat

I suppose so - why not?

Anyway, the thread title has been altered to allow for parallels to be made between the descriptions of the college students in the article, and our own experiences both with EFL students and colleagues.

I am struck by the close similarity of the article's description of college students to some of my American colleagues who took various EFL-related courses. They had no doubt that they were indeed the greatest, and went so far as to publicly express this - much to the distaste of the various other peoples on the courses. That their final results didn't measure up to their claims did not dent their self-image one bit. So, perhaps the main idea of the article is correct: self-confidence alone is no guarantee of success.

Another point surprised me, perhaps revealing my own biases:

"Our culture used to encourage modesty and humility and not bragging about yourself," says Twenge. "It was considered a bad thing to be seen as conceited or full of yourself."

This is certainly news to me. Can any of our US posters confirm or deny the above? If it is true, when did the situation change so dramatically?

Hic!

[choudoufu]

[johnslat]

Dear Sasha,

"The Modesty Manifesto
Over the past half century, America has moved from a culture of self-effacement to a culture of self-expression. But now the cultural tide is turning again. Are we citizens engaged in a national enterprise, or are we individuals? It�s time to rediscover the power of humility.

Speakers: David Brooks"


http://www.aspenideas.org/session/modesty-manifesto#colorbox=transcript


"Herein lies a picture of this shift. Kids today are growing up after the shift occurred.

Fifty years ago, when someone accomplished something great, it was generally against a backdrop of responsibility and duty; there was an ethos of humility; it was commonly said, �I�m no hero. I only did was I was supposed to do.� Parents would tell their children to not �get too big for their britches.� In fact, when George H. W. Bush (the senior president) spoke one time, he asked his mother how he was doing. She simply responded, �You�re talking too much about yourself.�

Today, that�s all politicians do.

Consider how the shift has happened. In 1950, a Gallup Poll asked high school students: Do you think you are an important person? That year, only 12% of students responded �yes.� The same question was asked in 2006 and over 80% of teens replied �yes.� Since 1970, we�ve absolutely bought into the idea that �self love� and high self-esteem are among our highest priorities. In 1962 there were no articles on self-esteem in any educational journals. In 1992, there were more than 2,500 articles in such journals. Fifty years ago, American students were among the best in the world at math. Today, we come in somewhere around 28th worldwide, yet still come in first in our estimation of how great we are in math. More U.S. students believe �I am very good in math� than any other country on the earth. So, while we�re far from the best, we still believe we are. We�re awesome."

http://growingleaders.com/blog/the-lost-art-of-modesty-and-humility/

Yes, I'm proud to say that we were more humble back in MY day.


Regards,
John