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nomad soul
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| ...every state in the US is different and makes their own rules. Generalizing about it is problematic as you can see. |
Which is why focus should be on the degree program's content (coursework) and context (emphasis area) and not solely on the title/major indicated on the diploma. Plus, many degree programs also allow for some flexibility in content and context in order to fit the career needs and interests of the student. As such, one size doesn't fit all. |
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Sirens of Cyprus
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| A BS in Education with a teaching field in English and a BA in English with a teaching certificate are not equivalent degrees with different names. My ex has the former because she simply was unable to pass enough English courses. She would have needed about twice as many to get a BA. The BS requires half the English and makes up the difference with courses in the correct way to punish naughty children (including high school students) and the like. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, but you are incorrect... still.
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Sirens of Cyprus
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| Where is your evidence? Show me two degree plans with different degrees for the same coursework. You can even use your own universiy. You don't admit that English courses are more difficult than education courses? And you don't admit that more English courses are required for a BA than a teaching field? Phhht! |
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Ixchel
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Sorry, but you are incorrect... still.
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+1  But his posts are funny.
In California there is no such thing as an Education BA. It's called Liberal Studies and instead of taking classes in one subject you take coursework in every area-Math, Science, History, English, Social Science, Arts and Music. I didn't want to do my BA in Liberal Studies because I didn't want to take so many extra math and science courses. Hardly easier than straight English.
My childhood best friend got her undergrad degree in Cultural Anthropology at Brigham Young University (a private school) She was awarded a BS degree.
I got mine from Calif State Univ in Anthropology (half the classes were physical and half were cultural-we didn't have a choice and the degree was simply in Anthro) and was granted a BA even though I took far more science classes. Go figure.
There appears to be no rhyme or reason to BA or BS. And English was the easiest subject I took. Far easier than the Teacher Education classes I took to get my teaching credentials. |
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fladude
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
I'd say that the main difference is whether one wants to ever have even a semi decent job or not. You need the education degree to get the state certificate to teach English in US schools. Or you can get a pure lit degree and learn to say "did you want fries with that?"
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It really isn't that way in most states. Most states allow alternative certification. Many east coast states now want you to have 30 credit hours in your subject area in order to teach at high school level. Which would mean that an English degree / literature degree would be of more benefit than a pure education degree. You could always be certified alternatively but with just an education degree you would need to take 10 classes.
I have since gone back and taken education classes at the graduate level and found them to be ridiculously easy. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Ixchel wrote: |
| There appears to be no rhyme or reason to BA or BS. And English was the easiest subject I took. Far easier than the Teacher Education classes I took to get my teaching credentials. |
Exactly my experience. There was nothing difficult about lit classes. It was a cake walk IMHO. At my college, we took darn near every lit course that they offered.
Ed courses were short and not that many...and were dead easy too.
Someone seems oblivious to my point. EVERY STATE MAKES ITS OWN RULES FOR TEACHING CERTIFICATION (and change as needs change)... AND EVERY UNIVERSITY SEEMS TO USE WHATEVER TERM THEY WANT. That person can also do her own googling to discern that.
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Ixchel
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| fladude wrote: |
| veiledsentiments wrote: |
I'd say that the main difference is whether one wants to ever have even a semi decent job or not. You need the education degree to get the state certificate to teach English in US schools. Or you can get a pure lit degree and learn to say "did you want fries with that?"
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It really isn't that way in most states. Most states allow alternative certification. Many east coast states now want you to have 30 credit hours in your subject area in order to teach at high school level. Which would mean that an English degree / literature degree would be of more benefit than a pure education degree. You could always be certified alternatively but with just an education degree you would need to take 10 classes.
I have since gone back and taken education classes at the graduate level and found them to be ridiculously easy. |
I have an elementary teaching credential called Multiple-Subject here with BCLAD (bilingual and ESL certification K-12) and I have a secondary teaching cert (middle and high school) called Single-Subject in Spanish.
I didn't take any extra classes other than the two years required of everyone to get their credentials in California. I took and passed the subject matter tests.
As far as whether or not subject matter tests are allowed to take the place of coursework, that rule changes every 10 years or so in my state depending upon the shortage of teachers. I also taught in my own public school classroom without a teaching cert while I took classes at night. Again due to need for bilingual teachers.
Edit: I love to read. It's my favorite thing to do. I already read at least a couple of books per week. For me to take a class where all I have to do is read and write about it and get credits for it?  Other than paying me for eating I can't think of anything easier or more pleasurable. |
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