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wayne432
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| Glenski wrote: |
It's the first 6 months.
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Thanks for the correction |
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extradross
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| Why do you people even consider this shit? What's the draw of Japan that you'll be exploited so basically? Illegals working in a factory from Indonesia/Thailand/ Vietnam are making 180-200 thou a month. Guys from east coast Java way more cos they have gained Japanese language skills in advance.Want to work 'legally' as a teacherand have the 'piss taken'? Sign up with one of the cowboy ALT sharpshooters and 'enjoy the Japanese experience'! |
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TokyoLiz
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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The African guys I talked to at the pub take home more than Y250,000 in the import/export business.
As a foreign young person in Japan, it is risky to live paycheck to paycheck. You're likely on your own, have no savings, and if anything bad happens, your year in Japan will cost you - returning home from Japan short notice can be very expensive.
Not to mention the cost of getting started here (Y500,000 or more) which you can barely recoup in a year. |
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sabina
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:13 am Post subject: |
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My "trial period" payment for 3 months was 220,000. It was OK because I didn't live in a big city, I had no move in costs, and I had a huge, cheap apartment with cheap utilities. And my salary didn't change on a month to month basis.
I'm frugal (but not a miser) and had a low-cost location so it worked out to be OK, but I could see how it would be hard to make it on 220,000 if you lived in a big city with key money and all that. |
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Xanato
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| extradross wrote: |
| Why do you people even consider this shit? What's the draw of Japan that you'll be exploited so basically? Illegals working in a factory from Indonesia/Thailand/ Vietnam are making 180-200 thou a month. Guys from east coast Java way more cos they have gained Japanese language skills in advance.Want to work 'legally' as a teacherand have the 'piss taken'? Sign up with one of the cowboy ALT sharpshooters and 'enjoy the Japanese experience'! |
Logic dictates that the less a job pays, the easier it will be to get hired for it. I can understand why you would absolutely refuse to be a doormat for an employer, but if money was really a focal point in our minds, would we really be vying for a job overseas? There are still well-paying jobs in the U.S. The experience of living in a foreign land is what I consider to be the biggest selling point of this line of work. Frankly, I would rather take a pay cut and loss of support instead of having to wait a year or two just to see if I even get an interview with the more reputable programs/companies. |
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Ikki
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: Yup |
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I certainly haven't agreed with Glenski all the time but he's right on here.
DO NOT take this contract! |
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flyer
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| The only way I would take that would be if I needed any job to get into teaching. I certainly wouldn't think about staying in it long. Just learn as much as I could and then look for a better job |
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rxk22
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Xanato wrote: |
| extradross wrote: |
| Why do you people even consider this shit? What's the draw of Japan that you'll be exploited so basically? Illegals working in a factory from Indonesia/Thailand/ Vietnam are making 180-200 thou a month. Guys from east coast Java way more cos they have gained Japanese language skills in advance.Want to work 'legally' as a teacherand have the 'piss taken'? Sign up with one of the cowboy ALT sharpshooters and 'enjoy the Japanese experience'! |
Logic dictates that the less a job pays, the easier it will be to get hired for it. I can understand why you would absolutely refuse to be a doormat for an employer, but if money was really a focal point in our minds, would we really be vying for a job overseas? There are still well-paying jobs in the U.S. The experience of living in a foreign land is what I consider to be the biggest selling point of this line of work. Frankly, I would rather take a pay cut and loss of support instead of having to wait a year or two just to see if I even get an interview with the more reputable programs/companies. |
That's a silly idea. basically it's ok to take a job that will prolly COST you money to take? Why not just study abroad and not have to worry about working responsibilites? |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Xanato wrote: |
| The experience of living in a foreign land is what I consider to be the biggest selling point of this line of work. Frankly, I would rather take a pay cut and loss of support instead of having to wait a year or two just to see if I even get an interview with the more reputable programs/companies. |
We're not talking about a teeny little lack of support or slightly less wages than normal here. Yeah, no job is perfect, but reread what all the negative points are! |
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yamanote senbei
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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No personal holidays at all? Bogus.
Though technically a company doesn't have to give you holidays the first 3 months on contract if they don't want to... I think? |
It's the first 6 months.
(Annual Paid Leave)
Article 39. An employer shall grant annual paid leave
of 10 working days, either consecutive or divided into
portions, to workers who have been employed continuously
for 6 months calculated from the day of their being hired
and who have reported for work on at least 80 percent of the
total working days.
http://www.jil.go.jp/english/laborinfo/library/documents/llj_law1-rev.pdf |
Glenski is right but there are three additional complications:
1. It's possible under special circumstances for your employer to fix all but five days of your annual paid leave.
2. Ten days of paid annual leave after six months of service is the legal minimum. Your employer can of course choose to give you and other employees more leave, more quickly if the choose to do so. Good luck with that.
3. A labour management agreement between a union and your employer will take precedence over the law and your individual employment contract.
In other words, you can accept low conditions in your contract. If you succeed in organizing your workplace, you'll be able to improve conditions beyond the minimum required by law. |
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JohnnyTrippia
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| wayne432 wrote: |
No personal holidays at all? Bogus.
Though technically a company doesn't have to give you holidays the first 3 months on contract if they don't want to... I think? |
It's the first 6 months.
(Annual Paid Leave)
Article 39. An employer shall grant annual paid leave
of 10 working days, either consecutive or divided into
portions, to workers who have been employed continuously
for 6 months calculated from the day of their being hired
and who have reported for work on at least 80 percent of the
total working days.
http://www.jil.go.jp/english/laborinfo/library/documents/llj_law1-rev.pdf |
I got offered a job with them today, and they suddenly showed their true colors with their "schedule" of rape. I would work flat out from Monday to Saturday ("half day" on Saturday - 6 classes~) I teach a maximum of 4 a day here on a full day in the public school in Korea and make more money with more/full paid holidays. It's not even that great. I have to work Winter and Summer camps, but my impression of Fifth Wings is that they are flying on your back, using u as a veritable magic carpet so they can laugh all the way to the bank.
No thanks Japan!! for my situation at least.. |
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TokyoLiz
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stumptowny
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:20 am Post subject: |
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the contract seems to be pretty shocking on a whole.
19 months
have to pay 50 000 visa fee if break it early
salary is tied to accom, 55 000, which is deducted
from your salary, in leopalace, whcih i think would be
alright.
60 000 fee at end of contract for 'cleaning' and 'moving'
No Paid leave! Im pretty sure this is illegal no? you get the whole
month of august off, but no salary, although they will pay for your
rent.
I dont need to save any money, and the main reason im considering the contract is because I think it would be better to teach in a public school compared to an eikewa. |
19 months = red flag #1. do they offer a 19.34 month contract as well? a 5 month?
50,000 visa fee = No, No, no. once you have your visa, there is no fee attached to it. if you do turn down this job, fake offer new terms to them that are acceptable to you. in the terms, state you want a 100,000 yen fee, in advance, for accepting the 50,000yen "visa fee". call it a "I accept the visa fee, fee" do this after no-showing for an appointment, to which you respond, "I did not show up because the contract did not seem important comnpared with other contracts but here are my terms for you (then offer the "I accept the visa fee, fee")
salary tied to accommodation = this is fairly common. not a red flag but you can do better on your own or at a guesthouse initially.. everyone I've known to live in leopalace leaves rather quickly and with many financial scratches..
no paid leave = frankly, at this point, I am questioning your judgement Jamo, that anyone stupid enough to consider this may deserve to suffer this as a life lesson. at least you are the guy who posted in dave's for advice! still, read up and get a clue.. your post shows you haven't and don't
essentially, this company is openly insulting you and taking you for the fool.. they are openly saying, you are a piece of _____. here is what you deserve..
I would toy with this company. tease em. do a no show for an appointment. something. anything. get creative! these people are crooked losers..
as for you, you really need to read up more and do more research. happy you posted this but it really shows some naivety with your effort in your future..
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TokyoLiz
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Crooked, crooked losers.
The contract indicates illegal conditions. Why subject yourself to that here?
FYI, the OECD says that the poverty line in Japan was at Y1.4 million yen, or Y116,600/mo in 2006. The poverty rate is rising, nearly as high as the US now - 16-17%. Stay home and be poor, I'd say. |
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JohnnyTrippia
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Fifth Wings messy messy |
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Shame on the recruiters for not screening these parasites. And I'm sure Ayaka (doubtless not her real name) is laughing her (doubtless) ugly fat head off.
I'm surprised to hear Japan has stooped so low (not that surprised). I expect more from Thailand.
I have a buddy working in Vietnam and when you factor in everything about his job, he's making about 4 times more than if he worked with anything resembling 5th wings, and honestly about 4 times less work / hours / office hours.. Shocking! |
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