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chica88



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:30 am    Post subject: Department of state teaching programs-is work in DOD good? Reply with quote

Has anyone thought about teaching or known teachers that were employed at the 'Department of Defense schools' in the United States?

Have you applied for any of them?

What is your vibe on the programs?

I'm asking because they look like nice programs to me.
The only concern I would have is how much competition there would be for a position.



Copied and pasted what was on the United States department of state site:




Teaching Overseas

Teacher Training

FAST TRAIN Foreign Affairs Spouses Teacher Training Project - Offered through the Graduate School of Education at George Mason University, this program prepares teachers for international assignments and offers alternative licensure. FAST-TRAIN also offers a second program for those interested in obtaining a Master's Degree in Multilingual/Multicultural Education, with an emphasis on teaching as a second language (ESL). In addition, they offer two certificate programs, one in IB and one in Special Education.

The Lab School of Washington offers a training program for learning disabled (LD) tutoring. This annual program starts in the Fall.

The Lab School of Washington
4759 Reservoir Road NW
Washington, DC 20007
Tel: 202-965-6600 / Fax: 202-965-5106

Resources for Identifying Positions

The International Educator (TIE)
TIE is a private non-profit organization dedicated to helping overseas international schools find qualified teaching staff and helping qualified teachers find positions at these overseas schools. TIE services over 500 overseas, international schools around the world (outside the US). Grade levels range from pre-K-12.

The International Educator
PO Box 513, Cummaquid, MA 02637 USA
Tel: 508-790-1990 Fax: 508-790-1922
Toll Free (USA): 1- 877-375-6668
Email: [email protected]

Chronicle of Higher Education contains a large classified section advertising teaching positions overseas.

Chronicle of Higher Education
1255 23rd Street, NW, Suite 700
Washington, DC 20037
Tel: 202-466-1000 / [email protected]

Making Contacts with Local Schools

Link to a list of international schools and contact information provided by the Office of Overseas Schools. Before moving to a new post, contact the local school or the Community Liaison Office coordinator at the embassy or consulate for information about teaching opportunities.

For more listings of international schools overseas, consult the The ISS Directory of International Schools, available for purchase.

International Schools Services
15 Roszel Road
Princeton, NJ 08543
Tel: 609-452-0990 / Fax: 609-452-2690
http://www.iss.edu

Overseas Schools Assisted by the Department of State

The American-sponsored overseas schools assisted by the Department of State through the Office of Overseas Schools (A/OPR/OS) are nonprofit, non-denominational, independent schools, many of which were established on a cooperative basis by American citizens living overseas. During 1995-96, 190 schools received grant assistance and technical support from A/OPR/OS. Because they are private institutions, these schools hire their own staffs. Many of them hire Foreign Service spouses. A/OPR/OS updates and publishes annually a directory of these schools. It has information on organizations involved in the recruitment of teachers and administrators for international schools throughout the world. A/OPR/OS also has information on U.S. universities offering teacher certification and professional development programs at overseas locations.

Office of Overseas Schools
Department of State
Washington, DC 20522-0132
Tel: 202-261-8200 / Fax: 202-261-8224 / [email protected]
http://www.state.gov/m/a/os/

Department of Defense Dependents Schools (DoDDS)

The Department of Defense recruits teachers for schools at military bases overseas. Contact DoDDS before arrival at post if possible, as applications for overseas positions are considered in the United States.

DoDDS Personnel Center
Recruitment Unit
4040 North Fairfax Drive
Arlington, VA 22203-1634
http://www.dodea.edu/home/index.cfm

Fulbright Teacher Exchange Program

The Fulbright Program offers teachers an opportunity to switch positions with teachers overseas. Applicants must be currently teaching, be a U.S. citizen, and have 3 years full-time teaching experience.

Fulbright Teacher Exchange Program
600 Maryland Avenue, SW
Room 140
Washington, DC 20024
Tel: 1-800-726-0479 / Fax: 202-401-7203 / [email protected]
http://fulbright.state.gov

Peace Corps

The Peace Corps uses volunteer teachers for elementary, secondary, normal and vocational schools, and universities. Some teaching experience is required. Applications must be made from the United States.

Recruiting Office
U.S. Peace Corps
1400 Wilson Blvd., Suite 400
Arlington, VA 22209
Tel: 1-800-424-8580 / Fax: 703-235-9189
http://www.peacecorps.gov/index.cfm

Institute of International Education

The library at the Institute of International Education posts listings of overseas teaching positions. This information is not available by phone, fax, or mail, but may be picked up in person if you are in New York.

Institute of International Education
809 United Nations Plaza
New York, NY 10017
Tel: 212-883-8200 / Fax: 212-984-5452
http://www.iie.org/

National Association of Independent Schools (NAIS)

Contact NAIS about teaching opportunities at overseas independent schools that are members of this U.S.-based group.

National Association of Independent Schools
1620 L Street NW
Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20036-5605
Tel: 202-973-9732 / Fax: 202-973-9790
http://www.nais.org/

Tutoring / Special Education

Another option for Foreign Service spouses is to provide individual or group tutoring. Many students enrolled in non-American schools or in small high schools that cannot offer a full range of courses are tutored or attend classes outside school hours. The post's education allowance can supplement the instruction allowance to pay for these programs. The supplementary instruction allowance can also be used to set up Advanced Placement courses. Families may pool their allowances to pay a tutor to teach a course.

Families with children in need of special education at posts where the schools do not offer special education programs often require the services of a teacher / tutor to carry out more comprehensive programs. Special educational allowances are available to pay these tutors.

To increase employment options, spouses going overseas may want to consider acquiring the necessary training to teach / tutor children with learning disabilities.

FAST TRAIN International Special Education Certificate - an online program that prepares professional educators for international assignments in the field of special education.

The Lab School of Washington offers a training program for learning disabled (LD) tutoring. This annual program starts in the Fall.

Teaching Certification

* Complete List of Departments of Education, by State - links to certification requirements
* Virginia Department of Education - Division of Teacher Education and Licensure
* Maryland Department of Education - Certification Branch
* District of Colombia Department of Education - Certification Requirements
* National Board for Professional Teaching Standards (NBPTS)

FLO Weblinks for Adult Education

* Adult Education
o Adult Education Programs
o Distance Learning Programs
o Graduate Degrees
o Teaching Overseas
+ FAST TRAIN Foreign Affairs Spouses Teacher Training Project


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=98852&highlight=dod

nomadsoul's a good resource for more info:-)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=98852&highlight=dod

nomadsoul's a good resource for more info:-)

Oh, Spiral... Wink I'm just an ex-military brat who attended DoDEA schools while overseas. Loved the experience... as a student. But yes, that link is relevant.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, somehow in my confused attic I'd connected you with DOD schools as an expert Laughing Embarassed In a sense, you are, of course:-)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DOD is the best. Far better than Int'l or American schools.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you go to the DOD website, though, you'll find that the only teaching jobs currently listed are in the US:

Teacher
2012 EAS DDESS
United States Citizens
$40,526.00 to $127,812.00 / School Year
Aguadilla (Ramey) PR,Camp Lejeune NC,Dahlgren VA,Fort Benning GA,Fort Bragg NC,Fort Campbell KY,Fort Jackson SC,Fort Knox KY,Fort Rucker AL,Fort Stewart GA,Maxwell AFB AL,MCAS Beaufort SC,Fort Buchanan PR,Quantico VA,West Point NY,Multiple Locations

No "Teacher" jobs listed for Europe or the Pacific. This isn't a good time of the year to apply for a job in the near future, but it would be a good time to apply for the fall.

My step-daughter is currently working for the DoD as a music teacher at Fort Campbell, KY.

Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ixchel wrote:
DOD is the best. Far better than Int'l or American schools.


I am interested to know...

Why are they better than international schools?

And I was wondering if DOD schools were better in America or overseas in your opinion?
Or are they all the same no matter where they are located in the world?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
If you go to the DOD website, though, you'll find that the only teaching jobs currently listed are in the US:

Teacher
2012 EAS DDESS
United States Citizens
$40,526.00 to $127,812.00 / School Year
Aguadilla (Ramey) PR,Camp Lejeune NC,Dahlgren VA,Fort Benning GA,Fort Bragg NC,Fort Campbell KY,Fort Jackson SC,Fort Knox KY,Fort Rucker AL,Fort Stewart GA,Maxwell AFB AL,MCAS Beaufort SC,Fort Buchanan PR,Quantico VA,West Point NY,Multiple Locations

No "Teacher" jobs listed for Europe or the Pacific. This isn't a good time of the year to apply for a job in the near future, but it would be a good time to apply for the fall.

My step-daughter is currently working for the DoD as a music teacher at Fort Campbell, KY.

Regards,
John


I'm curious about how your step daughter says she feels about working there.
Does she like it?
And I have to ask - has she heard of or from any teachers who are at DOD schools overseas and do they seem to be happy?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chica88 wrote:
Ixchel wrote:
DOD is the best. Far better than Int'l or American schools.


I am interested to know...

Why are they better than international schools?

And I was wondering if DOD schools were better in America or overseas in your opinion?
Or are they all the same no matter where they are located in the world?

I taught at an American school. I have lots of friends who taught overseas for DOD. I don't know anyone who taught in the US for them so no idea about that. My friends all made it their career. It's like working in the US but overseas-same system, pay/benefits really good and many of your expenses are paid so you can save lots of money and travel plus you're paying into retirement here. I don't know anyone who came back by choice. Kids are same population you'd teach in the US. Easier to navigate than teaching for an Int'l or American school in general. Just a good job all around.
Edit: I also taught at a public school in the US which was about half or more military families because it was near a base and it was a complete pleasure.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear chica88,

She loves it - the pay and benefits are great, she gets full support from the administration (and funds to buy lots of supplies for her classes), and the students are exceptionally well-behaved.

I'm not sure if she knows or knows of any overseas DOD teachers, but I can ask. There's a two-year "probation period" (which she completed not long ago) and so now she's thinking about putting in for an overseas position herself.

If you're going to make teaching your career - and you're not a tenured PhD university professor - it's hard to think of a better way to do it.

Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
She loves it - the pay and benefits are great, she gets full support from the administration (and funds to buy lots of supplies for her classes), and the students are exceptionally well-behaved.

Oh yes. When I attended DoD schools back in the day (three overseas DoD schools and one private international school), anyone who misbehaved on the school bus was taken directly to the motor pool sergeant, and I heard it wasn't pleasant. Growing up as a military dependent meant being part of a large but tight military community and culture.

In terms of my own education, the DoD's strong emphasis on education with rich, diverse content was, and still is, key. I had the opportunity to really broaden my learning experience and knowledge.

Sigh... Such fond memories... Anyway, a great article about DoDEA schools, "Department of Defense Schools: Their Secret Weapons for Success," can be found at http://www.educationworld.com/a_issues/issues349.shtml.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a P.S. to my last - I was on facebook and saw she'd just posted this:


"We passed our accreditation review with flying colors, and I got some kudos from a couple of our reviewers and some of our teachers. I'm feeling much appreciated this week! I really LOVE my job and my profession!"

Yup, I'd say she likes it Very Happy


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John
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Just a P.S. to my last - I was on facebook and saw she'd just posted this:


"We passed our accreditation review with flying colors, and I got some kudos from a couple of our reviewers and some of our teachers. I'm feeling much appreciated this week! I really LOVE my job and my profession!"

Yup, I'd say she likes it Very Happy


Regards,
John


Wow...

Much different than what I have experienced so far teaching overseas.
Thats why I was asking.
It's a avenue I have not really thought of taking before.
I just want to keep my options going.
Unfortunately, I won't have money to start my credential program until sometime next year.
But, I do plan to follow through with that.
I just want to work and have my husband and I feel comfortable.

What is the two year probation?
Is it for the DOD school to decide if they want to keep you on staff as a teacher?
I just never heard of the two year probation.
The DOD schools work much different than what I am used to dealing with.

And thank you for all of your information.
Very interesting.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear chica88,

Hmm, maybe I got it wrong; I'll have to ask her:

Probationary Period
If you are a new employee with a career-conditional appointment, you must serve a one-year probationary period. The probationary period is really the final and most important step in the examining process. It affords the supervisor an opportunity to evaluate the employee's performance and conduct on the job, and to remove the person without undue formality, if necessary. A person who is transferred, promoted, demoted, or reassigned before completing probation is required to complete the probationary period in the new position. Prior Federal civilian service counts toward completion of probation if it is in the same agency, same line of work, and without a break in service.

Care should be taken to distinguish the 1-year probationary period from the 3-year career-conditional period. The probationary period is used to determine the employee's ability and fitness required for permanent Government service. The 3-year career-conditional period is established only to measure the employee's interest in, and the Government's ability to provide a career in the Federal service."

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chica88 wrote:
johnslat wrote:
Just a P.S. to my last - I was on facebook and saw she'd just posted this:


"We passed our accreditation review with flying colors, and I got some kudos from a couple of our reviewers and some of our teachers. I'm feeling much appreciated this week! I really LOVE my job and my profession!"

Yup, I'd say she likes it Very Happy


Regards,
John


Wow...

Much different than what I have experienced so far teaching overseas.
Thats why I was asking.
It's a avenue I have not really thought of taking before.
I just want to keep my options going.
Unfortunately, I won't have money to start my credential program until sometime next year.
But, I do plan to follow through with that.
I just want to work and have my husband and I feel comfortable.

What is the two year probation?
Is it for the DOD school to decide if they want to keep you on staff as a teacher?
I just never heard of the two year probation.
The DOD schools work much different than what I am used to dealing with.

And thank you for all of your information.
Very interesting.

In all public school teaching there is a two year probationary period before receiving tenure. And yes, I've known teachers who were dismissed before getting tenure. Where I live they are no longer giving contracts to avoid tenure. They are giving year to year positions.
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