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How long have you lived in China?
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How many years have you lived in China
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Old Surrender



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three years. Planning on staying until 2016 to finish my masters in the U.S.
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GreatApe



Joined: 11 Apr 2012
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Location: South of Heaven and East of Nowhere

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just "celebrated" my 3 year anniversary on February 10th, 2013 ... so I voted 2-5 years. The Honeymoon is OVER!

I have entered the town of "Jaded" on my way to my home in the suburbs of "Totally."

Schizophrenically speaking, I recently had to have a long talk with myself over the New Year vacation ... (and, ironically, I AGREE with MYSELF!) ... "keep things in perspective ... you live a good life ... it's ONLY a job!"

Been back to the US of A one time in three years. I lasted 4 weeks and then jumped the plane back to the International Date Line and the PRC. It really helps to occasionally put things in perspective.

Having said that, anyone who's been here 8, 10 years or MORE deserves R.E.S.P.E.C.T. on a very high level!

Cheers ... to all of you old-timers!

--GA
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it'snotmyfault



Joined: 14 May 2012
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@greatape I know what you mean about going back home.

Three years ago after spending some time traveling I went back to the UK and got a job related to my degree. I lasted three months and left.

Stuck in an office with all the small minded office politics and the small town mentality drove me crazy, I got into a big argument with a guy one day, and it all started over PAPERCLIPS...FFS.

I think unless one has a stimulating career to go back to, has family commitments, or is just homesick; why would you want to go home?
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mike w



Joined: 26 May 2004
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Location: Beijing building site

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After all my years in China (16), I have two thoughts whenever I go back to the UK for vacation.

Firstly - I feel like a visitor in my own country, and scondly, it reminds me of all the reasons I left the UK in the first place.

If it wasn't for my dad still being alive (88yo), and my grown up kids, I wouldn't go back.
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creeper1



Joined: 24 Aug 2010
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Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:26 am    Post subject: a few Reply with quote

If you enjoy teaching and get on well with your co-workers then China seems good. BTW I don't think it is impossible to get into arguments with co-workers in China either. And, yeah, the reasons could be as silly as paperclips.

Any place is what you make of it. At home, I say, is where ambitious poeple should go. Those career minded or business start up minded. Those are best done at home. But for those, like me, having a good time for the here and now then China is best.

It's interesting that most posters on here are long termers. Where do Newbies post? I know that there are a lot of them around.
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it'snotmyfault



Joined: 14 May 2012
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I was using the paperclips as a kind of metaphor for the whole going home experience Laughing
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7969



Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By summer 2013 I'll have nine years in this country. The last seven at my current job.

Prior to ESL I wasn't working for more than a year. I had just left the army and was enjoying new-found freedom traveling all over the place and spending money (I still drew my salary while unemployed due to using up accumulated leave I never took). My army experience is probably the main reason I adapted to life in China without too many difficulties. Going from life under one authoritarian regime to another doesn't require much change in attitude. . . There isn't much they can do to me here that I haven't already experienced in the "let's F*&^ with this person's head" department." Ex-military people will know what I mean Very Happy

I do go home in summertime though. My family has a cottage on a somewhat remote lake in Ontario and that kind of tranquility isn't easily found during our working lives here. I may retire there one day.
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mike w



Joined: 26 May 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ex-military people will know what I mean


I know exactly what you mean. (I'm ex-British Royal Navy).

I have always found that ex-servicemen adapt easier.
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GreatApe



Joined: 11 Apr 2012
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it'snotmyfault wrote: @greatape I know what you mean about going back home.

Three years ago after spending some time traveling I went back to the UK and got a job related to my degree. I lasted three months and left.

Stuck in an office with all the small minded office politics and the small town mentality drove me crazy, I got into a big argument with a guy one day, and it all started over PAPERCLIPS...FFS.

I think unless one has a stimulating career to go back to, has family commitments, or is just homesick; why would you want to go home?

I could not possibly agree more! I'm American, but what you said about life in the UK is precisely how I feel about life in America. The politics, the division between people and political parties, the economy, the crap ... the mass consumerism and the expense ... it's just not worth it. I also LIKE the idea of living more simply and I have definitely done that since coming to China. I do not need all of that "STUFF" that I accumulated in 43 years in America. I never realized, for example, just how great life can be without a car! Most Americans would NEVER say that.

The other thing is the "small-mindedness." Yes, I miss my family and my friends every day, but the first thing my elder brother said to me when I told him I was going to live and work in China (this was back in 2010) was "You can't go to China. It's a COMMUNIST COUNTRY!" He didn't say (like the rest of my family) ... "Wow! That sounds like a great adventure!" ... or, "Exciting! You'll finally be able to travel!" He didn't even say "Good Luck!"

The first thing he could think to say is to spout some conservative political nonsense that you hear nightly on Fox "News." My brother has never stepped foot off the North American continent. He wouldn't know about life in China (or any other country but America) except for what he's heard, read, or "bought into."

I certainly don't HATE my country of origin, but neither am I a Nationalist. I refuse to be "proud" of something in which I had NO SAY ... I mean, I didn't choose to be born in America. The "choice" was made for me. No one picks their own country of origin. So, why be excessively proud of it? Shouldn't pride have more to do with accomplishment and hard work?

Long story short ... I just wasn't happy living in the United States. I gave it a try for 43 years. It became boring, it became depressing, it became frustrating (particularly with regard to the economy around 2008).

Perhaps stereotypically, I also adore Asian women. My Chinese girlfriend is the BEST thing that has ever happened to me. She's intelligent, funny, strong, hard-working and she treats me with love and respect. We've known each other for three years, and life without her would be tragic.

Having said that, I completely agree with the sentiments expressed here as well:
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7969 wrote: My family has a cottage on a somewhat remote lake in Ontario and that kind of tranquility isn't easily found during our working lives here. I may retire there one day.

My mother owns a small cabin near Yosemite and I LOVE that place. It's remote, it's beautiful, it's off the beaten path and it's as peaceful as it can be. The National Park is 20 minutes away and it's one of those places on earth where you wouldn't mind retiring (or dying, even)!

Right now, I can't even afford to THINK about retirement, let alone actually do it. I intend to marry my girlfriend this year and I will most likely take here home around Spring Festival time next year to meet my family and to take her to the cabin. She wants to continue to live in China and so do I ... maybe she will change her mind when she sees Yosemite, or maybe she won't, but as of now the plan is to stay in China as long as possible.

--GA
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fat_chris



Joined: 10 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GreatApe wrote:
I also LIKE the idea of living more simply and I have definitely done that since coming to China. I do not need all of that "STUFF" that I accumulated in 43 years in America. I never realized, for example, just how great life can be without a car!


This is key. I wholeheartedly agree with this. I have always wanted to live very simply and in China I do so. In America I would be looked down upon as strange for not owning a car and a TV set. Here no one really cares.

Even though I live simply, I do believe my life is rich. As long as I have good colleagues and friends, some cash in the bank, access to three meals a day, and an adequate wardrobe and lodging situation, then I am more than fine.

I do want to pay these $%&#@! students loans off once and for all though. I may not own anything, but I don't want to owe anything anymore either. Hopefully soon...

Dat's whut I'm talkin' 'bout.

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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7969



Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GreatApe wrote:
Having said that, I completely agree with the sentiments expressed here as well:
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7969 wrote: My family has a cottage on a somewhat remote lake in Ontario and that kind of tranquility isn't easily found during our working lives here. I may retire there one day.

My mother owns a small cabin near Yosemite and I LOVE that place. It's remote, it's beautiful, it's off the beaten path and it's as peaceful as it can be. The National Park is 20 minutes away and it's one of those places on earth where you wouldn't mind retiring (or dying, even)!

Right now, I can't even afford to THINK about retirement, let alone actually do it. I intend to marry my girlfriend this year and I will most likely take here home around Spring Festival time next year to meet my family and to take her to the cabin. She wants to continue to live in China and so do I ... maybe she will change her mind when she sees Yosemite, or maybe she won't, but as of now the plan is to stay in China as long as possible.

--GA

Sadly, it seems a majority in Canada and the US can no longer think about retiring when they want(ed) to. Every day there are articles about people thinking they'll run out of money within ten years of retiring, people who have no money to retire, people who have pensions from companies that are on very shaky ground, or people with no pension at all, because many companies are ditching them. The financial industry is a shell game wherein the only people getting rich are the ones selling the financial products, and for them to keep getting rich they have to keep suckering us into buying their products that are producing very little return etc etc etc. For all the problems you can have here in China, working and retiring back wherever you call home isn't what it used to be. Probably just as well off here as anywhere else. I'd hate to be born today because the future just keeps getting gloomier all the time.
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NoBillyNO



Joined: 11 Jun 2012
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My army experience is probably the main reason I adapted to life in China without too many difficulties. Going from life under one authoritarian regime to another doesn't require much change in attitude. . . There isn't much they can do to me here that I haven't already experienced in the "let's F*&^ with this person's head" department." Ex-military people will know what I mean Very Happy


73-76 and true dat, it also gave me wandering feet. I also worked for the VA while attending college and the "Fu*k wit your noggin" routine was never more genuine that that experience. I understand the PO is the same. However I don't find the Chinese to deliberately angle towards this kind of sport. I have been on and off (mostly on)for 12 years
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