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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Chinese woman married to a fellow FT at one school told me why Chinese schools are so anti copying class handouts.
She said it made the Chinese teachers lose face as they never did this and stuck strictly to the text.
The implication was that if the students became accustomed to this pro activity they would expect the same from the Chinese staff.
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Denim-Maniac



Joined: 31 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My boss does log how many copies we make and comments upon it sometimes. They are pretty good at my place though TBH. All the teachers copy material, both foreign and Chinese, and if my boss launced a tourism class, I think he would fund material too.

Last year I was asked to so something for business English and he bought a book I asked for. This is a training centre though, so the approach might be different, just as the needs of the student is different.
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Shroob



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My university gives every teacher 200 yuan for photocopying/printing.

EDIT: That's per semester.


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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About photocopying, I'm allowed to claim back expenses, but honestly, it's so small, I have a total of 2 classes this semester with maybe 100 students, so one handout a class is 100 copies, at .1 yuan per copy that's 10 rmb, I don't even bother.

On the 'tourist English' etc. I believe there could be a market for it, BUT, the user will have to have a base of English to begin with. What's the point of teaching aviation English to someone who answers 'How old are you?' with 'I'm fine, sanks?'
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choudoufu



Joined: 25 May 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wonder if the restricted copying has anything to do with the 'old'
commie control methods? if government controls the copiers, and
requires that typewriters be registered, then troublemakers find it
more difficult to type, print, copy, publish their counter-revolutionary
screeds. they've just gotten used to it, so now it has become
"traditional." but how to explain that a tourism dialog isn't a clever
neo-imperialist plot?

note: i really hate asking for copies. the department copier is located
upstairs amongst the cadre. the copy-master is a true-blue (true-red?),
diehard believer. the walls are plastered with portraits of mao and
various revolutionary scenes. it's always uncomfortable asking for
so many (sometimes 10!) copies, and being unwilling to have them
printed on both sides. it doesn't help that the little man has a huge
mole on his cheek with 10-cm hairs flowing out.
don't-stare-don't-stare-don't-stare-don't-stare................. Shocked
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choudoufu



Joined: 25 May 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LarssonCrew wrote:
What's the point of teaching aviation English to someone who answers 'How old are you?' with 'I'm fine, sanks?'


yes. what's the point of teaching "business negotiations" to a class of
19-year-olds with no life experience? most ain't never had part-time
jobs, or owned cars, or bought insurance, or had credit cards, or jinkies,
even had a boy/girlfriend. what's the point of using a western university
junior level (in chinglish!) business text for students who haven't yet
learned the concepts in chinese?
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Denim-Maniac



Joined: 31 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

choudoufu wrote:

note: i really hate asking for copies. the department copier is located
upstairs amongst the cadre. the copy-master is a true-blue (true-red?),
diehard believer. the walls are plastered with portraits of mao and
various revolutionary scenes. it's always uncomfortable asking for
so many (sometimes 10!) copies, and being unwilling to have them
printed on both sides. it doesn't help that the little man has a huge
mole on his cheek with 10-cm hairs flowing out.
don't-stare-don't-stare-don't-stare-don't-stare................. Shocked


Again, Im quite lucky. The school provider apartment has some internet hook-up which allows us to connect to their server. We can actually print from our laptops and the copies come out of the copier in the teachers office back at school.

The problem with that is people sometimes throw away what you've printed if you leave it there for too long. As a result, some of the teachers print around 1000 pieces per month. Thats when the boss mentions it.
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jibbs



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe "Business English" is a popular one that sounds dull even though I don't really know what it means. Learning about business in English and all the, um, business terminology I guess. But "tourism" or "hotel" English sounds ridiculous. I guess it sells because of the label? Ask some Chinese what "tourism" or "hotel" Chinese might be. They'd probably just look at you like you were nuts. Then why does anybody believe such a thing exists in English?
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