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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009
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Location: Narita, Japan
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 Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:20 am Post subject: Financial Requirements for Permanent Residency |
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I spotted this on an Immigration Lawyer's website. The website looks reasonably up to date: it reflects the changes to the immigration system that came into effect in 2012:
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"I want permanent residency in Japan"
... Some recent cases have involved financial requirements: there is a minimum annual income threshold of 3,300,000 yen for a single person, 4,000,000 yen for a couple and 4,500,000 yen for a couple with a child. |
That's quite a tall order for a family man without at least an MA TESOL!
I'm hoping that this restriction only applies to people whose finances look shaky in other respects. If not, I'll have to forget about getting a permanent visa for now.
Does anyone know more about this? |
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hagiwaramai
Joined: 24 May 2010
Posts: 119
Location: Marines Stadium
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| Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:15 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure that's not referring to a foreign couple. I'd always heard it was easy if you were married, and you were automatically entitled to PR with no requirements if you had been married for 3 years in Japan, or 3 years in total including at least one year in Japan. This is a bit old but that's what it says here
http://www.moj.go.jp/content/000099622.pdf
It even states you don't have to be of good conduct if you're married!
You have to love this from here
http://www.moj.go.jp/content/000096661.pdf
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1. Common to all fields
The person has been awarded a prize by an international organization, foreign government or any equivalent organization, with the prize being internationally evaluated as authoritative.
ex.) Nobel Prize, Fields Prize, The Pritzker Architecture Prize and Legion
d�Honneur
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Where did I put my Nobel Prize again...
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| The person has a career as a secretary-general, deputy secretary-general or a higher-level title holder of any equivalent managerial position of an international organization of which Japan is a member nation. |
So Kofi Annan would have no problems..
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| the person has won a high-level prize in a well-known international sports competition or other convention such as the Olympic Games, world championships, |
Did I leave my gold medal with my Nobel Prize.. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:53 am Post subject: |
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I've never in 15 years heard of any financial guidelines for PR. What that web site says is "in recent cases", but they don't explain what that means.
1. Is it intended to mean that in ALL recent cases of PR?
2. Is it intended to mean that in SOME special situations recently?
Might be nice to know. Call and ask. 
3.3 million yen is equivalent to 275,000 yen/month, NOT a "tall order" by any stretch of the imagination. 4 million is not that much more (333,333 yen). In fact, if you don't have a total of about 300,000 coming in per month, you're going to be hard-pressed to live above subsistence lifestyle as a couple, IMO. Many do it, though. It might take a few side jobs, but people do.
Regardless, like I said above, I have not heard of any financial income guidelines that PR holders need to follow, although the application form does have a space (17.3) for annual income. That alone is not enough to cry wolf. |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009
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Location: Narita, Japan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
I've never in 15 years heard of any financial guidelines for PR. What that web site says is "in recent cases", but they don't explain what that means.
1. Is it intended to mean that in ALL recent cases of PR?
2. Is it intended to mean that in SOME special situations recently?
Might be nice to know. |
The English says "some recent cases".
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| 3.3 million yen is equivalent to 275,000 yen/month, NOT a "tall order" by any stretch of the imagination. 4 million is not that much more (333,333 yen). |
275,000 yen / month is feasible, but at 330,000 / month the jobs are much scarcer if you don't have something like an MA TESOL. (Don't forget that a lot of the ES / JHS / HS jobs that advertise high salaries don't pay during the vacation.)
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| I have not heard of any financial income guidelines that PR holders need to follow |
I guess that's some reassurance. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Pitarou wrote: |
| Glenski wrote: |
I've never in 15 years heard of any financial guidelines for PR. What that web site says is "in recent cases", but they don't explain what that means.
1. Is it intended to mean that in ALL recent cases of PR?
2. Is it intended to mean that in SOME special situations recently?
Might be nice to know. |
The English says "some recent cases". |
So, it's vague about number, as I suspected.
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| Glanski wrote: |
| 3.3 million yen is equivalent to 275,000 yen/month, NOT a "tall order" by any stretch of the imagination. 4 million is not that much more (333,333 yen). |
275,000 yen / month is feasible, but at 330,000 / month the jobs are much scarcer if you don't have something like an MA TESOL. |
Or a lot of side jobs.
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(Don't forget that a lot of the ES / JHS / HS jobs that advertise high salaries don't pay during the vacation.) |
True. |
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Mr_Monkey
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
Posts: 661
Location: Kyuuuuuushuuuuuuu
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| Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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My wife seems to think it will be a walk in the park for me to get PR, because I'm married to a Japanese national.
She says she's looked into it, so I guess I'll trust her  |
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Inflames
Joined: 02 Apr 2006
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I have a married friend who has been kicked back twice for PR. Immigration came up with something about his wife's taxes both times (even after paying the taxes, they still kicked him back because of it). I'm convinced it's because of his salary (he's in his 40s and makes 3 million a year or so, she doesn't work).
BTW those amounts aren't difficult to make at all - I don't have a master's degree and I make more than 400,000 yen a month. |
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ssjup81
Joined: 15 Jun 2009
Posts: 664
Location: Adachi-ku, Tokyo, Japan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| Inflames wrote: |
I have a married friend who has been kicked back twice for PR. Immigration came up with something about his wife's taxes both times (even after paying the taxes, they still kicked him back because of it). I'm convinced it's because of his salary (he's in his 40s and makes 3 million a year or so, she doesn't work).
BTW those amounts aren't difficult to make at all - I don't have a master's degree and I make more than 400,000 yen a month. |
If it's ok to ask, what do you do to earn so much? |
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Mr_Monkey
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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Location: Kyuuuuuushuuuuuuu
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Work a lot. It's quite feasible with two or more PT jobs.
The only problem is that it's very tiring. I did it for two years, averaging 450,000/month, but by the time I stopped doing it I was ready to leave Japan and stop teaching. |
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