Site Search:
 
Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

How much does TEFL certification help?

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Japan
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
DaDragon



Joined: 14 Sep 2012
Posts: 10

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:40 am    Post subject: How much does TEFL certification help? Reply with quote

Does being TEFL certified give you an advantage when searching for an English teaching job in Japan? If so, how big of an advantage? Did you see more success after earning your certification than you did before?

I'm considering taking a 190 hour TEFL course, which includes 20 hours practicum.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
thomthom



Joined: 20 May 2011
Posts: 125

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it gives you a big boost if you have no prior experience at all. It would prove more educational if that's the case, also. Personally I had 12 months experience before I obtained a TEFL, so it felt like a just a slight improvement to my CV, and 80% of the information contained on the course was stating the obvious. The salient thing I learned was all the verb tenses.

Where would you do it? The main allure is that they can be done cheaply in places like Thailand and Vietnam. However, anybody with a CELTA is probably going to get picked over someone with a TEFL (if the CVs are otherwise level). You should look into that, but it's more costly and much more difficult as far as I've been told.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously, it gives you an advantage over most newbies in the sense that you have some theory and practice in doing what you hope to get paid for here. Not much, but most people just starting out have zero education or experience in TEFL.

As far as helping to land a job, I don't have high hopes for most jobs in that regard. Most employers don't know what a certification is/means. One might think that it would help separate the dregs from the cream, but in the end, some employers might choose on the basis of personality, charm, eye color, gender, age, or nationality over certs.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DaDragon



Joined: 14 Sep 2012
Posts: 10

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thomthom wrote:
I think it gives you a big boost if you have no prior experience at all. It would prove more educational if that's the case, also. Personally I had 12 months experience before I obtained a TEFL, so it felt like a just a slight improvement to my CV, and 80% of the information contained on the course was stating the obvious. The salient thing I learned was all the verb tenses.

Where would you do it? The main allure is that they can be done cheaply in places like Thailand and Vietnam. However, anybody with a CELTA is probably going to get picked over someone with a TEFL (if the CVs are otherwise level). You should look into that, but it's more costly and much more difficult as far as I've been told.


I'm considering the International TEFL Academy in Chicago. I first learned about it here:
http://www.goabroad.com/providers/international-tefl-academy/programs

This is their website:
http://www.internationalteflacademy.com/

How does it look to you?

Also, does 190 hours with 20 hours of practicum sound better then most places?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
spiral78



Joined: 05 Apr 2004
Posts: 11534
Location: On a Short Leash

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of misleading info on their website, as regards country-specific info.

I know nothing about Japan, but have checked this site before for the countries I do know well, and I think the website is so misleading as to be really nearly criminal. It's NOT as easy as 1-2-3 !!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
steki47



Joined: 20 Apr 2008
Posts: 1029
Location: BFE Inaka

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Most employers don't know what a certification is/means. One might think that it would help separate the dregs from the cream


Can't find the link now, but I read an article (in JALT?) saying that the CELTA was not that commonly known in Japan. Most teaching jobs require:

1. Any BA/BS
2. Graduate degree in TESOL-related field

As such, a certificate falls somewhere in between and may not mean much to employers. Your second comment could prove me somewhat wrong. I have seen eikaiwa job ads that mention "CELTA preferred" and such.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steki47 wrote:
Can't find the link now, but I read an article (in JALT?) saying that the CELTA was not that commonly known in Japan. Most teaching jobs require:

1. Any BA/BS
2. Graduate degree in TESOL-related field
Nope. No MA, MS, or PhD needed for entry level jobs in Japan. Vanilla BA/BS will do.

Quote:
As such, a certificate falls somewhere in between
Not sure what you mean. The cert is an extra. It is not equivalent to any sort of degree. Just a supplement.

Quote:
Your second comment could prove me somewhat wrong. I have seen eikaiwa job ads that mention "CELTA preferred" and such.
I'm sure they exist, but they are far from the norm, IMO.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From that link:

"International TEFL Academy can train you in 1 or 2 months to be a professional English teacher..."
Do they offer shares in the Brooklyn Bridge with that? Or a potion that cures warts and removes stains? Gimme a break.


Quote:
with our Online TEFL and International TEFL courses.
Oh, now they have something that changes lead into gold. Does one have to read any further than this? Let's go to their "lifetime career guidance":
#3: Every country has it's own hiring season.
I guess they don't write as well as they teach. Anyone else see the obvious misspelling?

Quote:
In most cases, you will begin teaching almost immediately after your interview
And the plutoxin 7 virus kills in 10 hours...

Quote:
In-person interviews in the applicant�s home country are common for jobs in Japan
Not. They exist, yes, but they are not "common".
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
OneJoelFifty



Joined: 06 Oct 2009
Posts: 463

PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:

it's
I guess they don't write as well as they teach. Anyone else see the obvious misspelling?


What do I win?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
GambateBingBangBOOM



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
Posts: 2021
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How helpful a TEFL certificate is (in terms of getting hired) may depend on the area of the country you are in. In areas where it seems most of the jobs in the k12 sector are through dispatch companies (For example, anywhere around Tokyo), then a TEFL certificate isn't always a requirement, but it usually is. You wouldn't even get an interview at a company the requires one without it. And that means not just one job, but all of the schools that are clients of that dispatch.

I know at least one major dispatch company that does not require it (though having one will help you get into their better client schools). But I know a bunch of smaller dispatch companies that do require one (and the salary tends to be much better at these smaller dispatch companies as well).

For areas where the schools tend to hire directly as opposed to through a dispatch (Osaka), then it's hit or miss. And in areas like that, it seems that personal recommendations can trump some sort of certificate- but probably not a masters degree.

Your question as to how easy it is with one compared to without one only applies to people who do their certificate in Japan- or at least teach in Japan without one, and then come back after doing one. But a lot of people already have a certificate when they arrive in Japan. And then they go on to do a masters while in Japan.

Generally speaking, there is a lot of competition for jobs in Japan, and not having some sort of qualification as a language instructor (even if it's more than a bit on the crappy side) would put you at a significant disadvantage in finding a job. If you add to that, "Not really able to communicate in Japanese", then I won't say it's impossible to find a job (I know a few people with full-time jobs in private schools- not eikaiwas- who don't have any qualifications and don't speak Japanese really at all), but it would be extremely difficult without contacts to help you get in, though eikaiwa work would probably still be a possible (and full-time eikaiwa jobs sometimes pay more than full-time or "semi-part-time" jobs at jr/sr high schools or boards of education. And it's not like the salary at eikaiwas has moved upwards recently).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
currentaffairs



Joined: 22 Aug 2012
Posts: 828

PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think having a TEFL cert will make a big difference at the lower end of the job market (i.e. eikaiwa and dispatch company ALT work). Most people start with part-time gigs and you can get these fairly easily.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
GambateBingBangBOOM



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
Posts: 2021
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

currentaffairs wrote:
I don't think having a TEFL cert will make a big difference at the lower end of the job market (i.e. eikaiwa and dispatch company ALT work). Most people start with part-time gigs and you can get these fairly easily.


You can get an initial work visa off of a part-time ALT or eikaiwa gig, now?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
currentaffairs



Joined: 22 Aug 2012
Posts: 828

PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GambateBingBangBOOM wrote:
currentaffairs wrote:
I don't think having a TEFL cert will make a big difference at the lower end of the job market (i.e. eikaiwa and dispatch company ALT work). Most people start with part-time gigs and you can get these fairly easily.


You can get an initial work visa off of a part-time ALT or eikaiwa gig, now?


Yes. You need to get into the country and work for someone first, of course. Whether that is Berlitz, Gaba, Westgate or whoever. They will give you a work visa. After that, you can pick up whatever work you can - the part-time business classes, the university classes, the eikaiwa classes, and the privates. You keep your salary slips and then submit them all to immigration and you can then do a self sponsor. The minimum income is around 2.5/3 million yen for the year.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Japan All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Teaching Jobs in China
Teaching Jobs in China