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Didn't you expect or hope for more from your life?
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demitrescou



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:41 pm    Post subject: Didn't you expect or hope for more from your life? Reply with quote

Actor, TV/Film Director, Novelist, Screenwriter, Scientist, Historian, Psychologist, Pilot, Survival Expert (lol), __________(insert here), etc etc etc etc etc

This isn't another thread trolling about whether TEFLing is a real job or not. Regardless of your feelings on TEFL didn't you expect or hope for more from your life than this? Don't you feel seriously disappointed you didn't become something else or achieve much more?

I just wanted to put this out there as it's been eating away at me recently. I've just hit that 30 mark and these thoughts have been bombarding me. It's not a new feeling but I think it's playing on my mind now because I'm at that point in life where you have to kind of accept that certain things you perhaps once thought were possible, aren't realistic anymore.

There's a constant discussion on these boards about whether TEFL is a real job or not and bla bla bla but I rarely see open and honest discussions about this. I mean, surely most of us here didn't grow up with hopes of being an English teacher.

Are you disappointed? Has it bothered you for years? Do you regret not pursuing another path? Are you over it?

One thing I don't want to hear is the cliche about it never being too late as I don't think that's really true. While there are exceptions to the rule, the general competitiveness of certain professions and the burdens and responsibilities we have as we get older make some things out of reach.

Sorry to be a downer, just wanted to hear from others who may be or have been plagued by such thoughts.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear demitrescou,

Are you disappointed? Nope.

Has it bothered you for years? Nope

Do you regret not pursuing another path? Nope

Are you over it? Nope (I think - not quite sure what "it" refers to.)

No regrets at all - it's been a fun ride these past thirty-five years.

Of course, I still haven't decided what I want to be when I grow up, but that's moot anyway since I never will (grow up, that is Very Happy).

Regards,
John
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto. I am endlessly interested in what I do, and for me it's a genuine pleasure to contribute to the success of my students.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Didn't you expect or hope for more from your life? Reply with quote

demitrescou wrote:
This isn't another thread trolling about whether TEFLing is a real job or not. Regardless of your feelings on TEFL didn't you expect or hope for more from your life than this? Don't you feel seriously disappointed you didn't become something else or achieve much more?
This is an insulting question for any profession. You should see some of Taylor Mali's videos, starting with this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsOVK4syxU

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There's a constant discussion on these boards about whether TEFL is a real job or not and bla bla bla
Hmm, let's see, whether I've done conversation school, HS, or university work, it has involved showing up on time, working 30-40 hours per week, being presentable and professional and prepared, and getting a steady paycheck for it. How it that NOT a real job?


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Are you disappointed? Has it bothered you for years? Do you regret not pursuing another path? Are you over it?
I came in through the side door, changing jobs around age 40. It involved a huge cut in pay and difference in working lifestyle. I have learned an incredible amount about it all. I sometimes think of the previous career, sure, but I like what I do here and have a family. Can you ask for more?

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One thing I don't want to hear is the cliche about it never being too late as I don't think that's really true. While there are exceptions to the rule, the general competitiveness of certain professions and the burdens and responsibilities we have as we get older make some things out of reach.
I guess I'm an exception or a cliche, then.

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Sorry to be a downer, just wanted to hear from others who may be or have been plagued by such thoughts.
Why, pray tell? Where are you personally coming from with these feelings?
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demitrescou



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski,

I don't know what you're asking. Why what? I explained my feelings and just putting it out there to see how many others can relate to such.

It's great if you and the 2 above posters can't really relate to such feelings. I wish I didn't have them either.

Just looking for honest replies.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear


While I can't personally relate, I can sympathize. I suspect, however, that there are few, if any, professions/jobs that don't have people in them who feel as you do.

Well, maybe not quality-control tasters in distilleries Very Happy.

Regards,
John
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demitrescou



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John,

I see what you mean but the kind of professions that were on my mind personally were creative ones. Screenwriters/film directors/actors/producers/novelists/theatre directors etc. Can you really picture people successfully working in these fields wishing they were teaching English instead?

I do see where you're coming from. You're talking about the average Joe in an 'average' job. That's not really what my OP was about though.
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it'snotmyfault



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're a frustrated novelist, screenwriter, actor etc and you're in your 30s or 40s you should probably just accept it isn't going to happen and concentrate on your day job.

Treat your creative side as a hobby, and if it leads to something that's great.
But the odds are stacked heavily against you.
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santi84



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a husband, two healthy beautiful baby boys, and a 4 bedroom house (which we own). I'd say I'm doing pretty darn well in the grand scheme of life, and I'm only 28.

Maybe at 30, it's not a disappointment with career, but rather with the other things in life (love, family, friends). You can blame it on career, but that is only secondary when the rest has already fallen into place.
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creative types have their fair share of breakdowns and disillusionment. I bet there are actors who'd envy the anonymity and creativity of ELT (were they to be told and get fired up about it). At least as a teacher you're "keeping it real"!

What I hope is that I can compile~complete a good pedagogical English grammar before I get too old to really care. A Chinese-English dictionary is also in the works but taking forever to write. (More self-discipline required!).

Of course we all sometimes think what if I'd pursued a career in MMA or whatever, but then the cons of that career can start coming to mind and make ELT seem like not such a bad move after all.
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revenger2013



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it'snotmyfault wrote:
If you're a frustrated novelist, screenwriter, actor etc and you're in your 30s or 40s you should probably just accept it isn't going to happen and concentrate on your day job.

Treat your creative side as a hobby, and if it leads to something that's great.
But the odds are stacked heavily against you.


One of the most revered writers out there today and certainly the richest was a TEFL Teacher.

If you want to be a writer then write! I might agree with acting or becoming a footballer or a boxer, I still dream of turning pro even though I am 41! Laughing
you never stop dreaming of glory, that is the human psyche. But writing, why is it too late to be a writer or a screenwriter? Quentin Tarintino was a guy who worked in a video shop. And if you fail to become a revered writer then it is not because you are a TEFL teacher but it is because you are not very talented.

TEFL teaching is a good job, as much of a job as a window cleaner or an insurance agent or a policeman. 10 years ago I was depressed and living in a bedsit on the dole, the bottom of society and now I am doing an MA and am going to get married to a wonderful woman who I would never have met unless I went out to teach. TEFL in comparison has brought my quality of life to a great height in comparison. Depends where you are coming from I suppose, if all your peers are surgeons and Lords then I suppose TEFL teaching is low grade but then so would being a nurse or a policeman. I don't come from that strand of background so for me and my inner ego, I think I am doing pretty well in life.
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Montanaland



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:26 am    Post subject: life on hold Reply with quote

I struggle with this "inner"question every other day myself. Waking up with the same 6 men day after day in our company house is getting really old on top of my boring job. Trading 13 months for 90k while being surrounded with oil field trash gets very tiresome..especially for most of us on here that have a higher education and a different outlook on life.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

demitrescou wrote:
Glenski,

I don't know what you're asking. Why what? I explained my feelings and just putting it out there to see how many others can relate to such.
Let's start with this quote from your post:

I've just hit that 30 mark and these thoughts have been bombarding me. It's not a new feeling but I think it's playing on my mind now because I'm at that point in life where you have to kind of accept that certain things you perhaps once thought were possible, aren't realistic anymore.
At age 30 and retirement around age 60, you've got 30 years left in your active years. What things are not possible for you?

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It's great if you and the 2 above posters can't really relate to such feelings. I wish I didn't have them either.

Are you disappointed? Has it bothered you for years? Do you regret not pursuing another path? Are you over it?
I think you will find perhaps 2 types of people, maybe 3, who will reply.

1. Those who actually DID plan to be teachers, whether in EFL/ESL or not.
2. Those who just went abroad and found TEFL/TESL something easy to get into so they could pay for their travels more than anything else.
3. People like me who fell into it and have made a serious effort to pursue it further.

Responses, therefore, to your questions above will depend on which category the person is in. You have to see how well they match your own situation.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, for thirty-five years, I've had a job that I love to get up in the morning to do. It's given me a lot of satisfaction, happiness even.

And while I may be fooling myself, I also like to think I've made a difference for the better in the lives of at least some of my students.

It's also given me a nice home in Santa Fe, NM, and financial security for the (short, probably - I'm already 70) rest of my life.

I'm still teaching, 15 hours a week at the local community college (just got home from a class), and not because I need to but because I want to.

Plus, I got to see so much of the world that I'd wanted to visit - mostly on someone else's dime.

When I think of the millions (maybe hundreds of millions) of people who have to drag themselves to work every day, doing a job they don't like very much or even hate, well, hey, I can't complain - the field's been good to me.

Regards,
John
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revenger2013



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Well, for thirty-five years, I've had a job that I love to get up in the morning to do. It's given me a lot of satisfaction, happiness even.

And while I may be fooling myself, I also like to think I've made a difference for the better in the lives of at least some of my students.

It's also given me a nice home in Santa Fe, NM, and financial security for the (short, probably - I'm already 70) rest of my life.

I'm still teaching, 15 hours a week at the local community college (just got home from a class), and not because I need to but because I want to.

Plus, I got to see so much of the world that I'd wanted to visit - mostly on someone else's dime.

When I think of the millions (maybe hundreds of millions) of people who have to drag themselves to work every day, doing a job they don't like very much or even hate, well, hey, I can't complain - the field's been good to me.

Regards,
John


It is a great outlook to have John. I don't think EFL is second prize at all unless one wants to see it that way, Elvis Presley, Robbie Williams and a glut of pop stars comfort ate through unhappiness and a lot killed themselves through drugs. Sure, there are happy popstars like there are happy ESL teachers. Very Happy

I am happy to spend the rest of my work life doing this and am currently doing an MA in the subject. I remember as a young man reading 'Teach English Abroad' by Susan Griffith and looking at the advice about teaching in Korea and Argentina and such places and reading in wonderment equating it to teaching on Mars. Now I am doing it and I never thought I would.
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