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Teaching in China when you only have a few months to spare
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ecubyrd



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

choudoufu wrote:
ecubyrd wrote:
roadwalker wrote:
Has anyone reading this been offered z-visa sponsorship for a six-month stint, or for a summer\winter camp?


I have not, but I do know for sure that my first employer (big lm chain) hired all summer camp positions just for that and those people were brought in on short stint working visas. This particular company did everything by the book.


different kettle of monkeys. big chain has heap big guanxi. the summer
camps are jam-packed with kids, all paid in advance. teachers are working
8-10 hour days, with 50-60 kids per class. makes sense in that case to
spring for the work visas.


Yeah, that certainly makes sense, but the chain that I mentioned had a grand total of 10 kids doing summer camp at my at the time branch. The camp teacher worked m-f from 8:30-4. Possibly they have become more popular and established and are getting beat up with what you mentioned as norm for summer camps since I was there.
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Cherry11



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

roadwalker wrote:
Cherry11 wrote:
Hi everyone,

Thanks for your feedback. Yeah, I guess I could see that comment coming about the mistreatment of employers. It is a valid point. In an ideal world, I wouldn't break a contract. However, in reality of course, people break contacts all the time, all over the world. I'm sure that loads of teachers in the past have left jobs after a only few days because they just weren't what they had signed up for. Perhaps I should also mention here that the school hasn't exactly treated me fantastically so far either. They refused to apply for the Z-visa for me, saying that I have to come over on a tourist visa and do a visa run at my own expense.

Perhaps going on a voluntourism type program is the best option. Unfortunately, I haven't come across many viable ones. I've looked at Journey East but you pay $3000 and have to work full time 6-days a week without any stipend. It just makes me feel a bit used. I'll keep looking though and hopefully something will come up. To answer your question Denim-Maniac, I agree that I'd have to go for a year for the true EFL experience. I guess I'm more interested in experiencing a new culture and meeting new people. However, I would also love to gain some more teaching experience as that's why I have to be back by September - to start a teaching course!


I don't think you'll find too many Chinese schools willing to go through the effort and expense of getting the documents needed to sponsor a foreign teacher for a z-visa for a six-month gig. (A six-month renewal is a much more likely scenario.) I'm sure it happens from time to time, but most likely for teachers with outstanding qualifications and experience at one end and desperate schools having trouble attracting teachers at the other. Has anyone reading this been offered z-visa sponsorship for a six-month stint, or for a summer\winter camp?


Even though I said that I could only commit to 6 months, the contract that I was sent was for one year. I think I was just dealing with a bad school as they told me that all of their teachers came on L-visas and then transferred them to Z-visas upon their arrival in China. They wouldn't budge on this point. I had a careful look at the contract and there didn't appear to be any major penalties for leaving the contract early. If I had to leave a contract early, I would have no issue paying the school what they were due.

Anyway, all things considered, I've decided not to go to China at this time with this school. I generally like to do things the proper way... I think I really just want to go to China Very Happy Hopefully, I'll make it there in the summer, or sometime when I have longer than 4 months to spare!
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schools that always ask teachers to come over on a tourist or business visa (for a year contract) and then "fix it from there" are schools to avoid in my book. That said, I wouldn't expect summer camp or other short term offerings to come with z-visa offers and documents. But as ecubyrd pointed out, there are at least some employers who in fact do offer full legal status for short time work. Good luck OP.
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sPinkomania



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody is going to hire you for 4 months and give you a z visa. Or if they do you should be counting your lucky stars.

I guess you do have 2 dodgy options. Firstly, dropping out of a contract. Please don't do this, it gives all foreigners here a bad name, means you can't use the school as a reference, gives other foreigners at your school undue stress and extra classes, and create a sizable number of people whose last, and lasting impression of you will be 'that jerk who screwed us over'.

Secondly, you could come over on a tourist visa and then try and work under the table for a school. This is more common than you would think, although normally the teachers who do it have a z-visa with another school.

I had a 6 month contract for EF once, but that was the shortest I've experienced. I guess if you told the school you were leaving in 4 months as soon as you arrived it wouldn't be as bad, but you should try and think of a better solution. Good luck!
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jg



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi OP,

If you have patience and resources to maybe wait a month or so, you can find part time work in Shanghai. You will be taking the train to different places and maybe be on call as a relief teacher, and there are lots of agents here who farm out teachers to schools around the city, or to private students for a couple of hours a week.

The Good -

I know several people that do this, and many agencies that recruit part-time teachers pay in cash and ask few questions. It can be lucrative. LOTS of non-native speakers here make solid $$ and do the old subway shuffle in this "industry". Taking the subway hither and yon can be a hassle, but that's life in a big city, no?



The Bad
Unlike just working for a brick and mortar school itself, you are with the agency, and everyone knows that the teachers from agencies in Sh can be transient. The agency doesn't really care, and the teacher doesn't either. So if the kids really like you and you leave after a few months, how will they feel? For most Chinese kids, their relationship to us is hard to grasp, but attachment it attachment.


You may have to sort out your visa yourself. Extensions aren't expensive, and visa runs don't have to be either, but there are no guarantees that a day in HK will solve everything.

Shanghai is expensive. While you are waiting for your ship to come in, you have to have a nice chunk of money. Even just staying in a hostel, riding the subway around and eating at the noodle/baozi shops adds up! Then there is the hassle of living in a hostel and keeping your clothes neat for an interview.

Two words: summer camp
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hilena_westb



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jg wrote:
Two words: summer camp


Apparently this poster does not understand that any job of any length of time requires a Z visa. Summer camps do NOT have any sort of exception in the legal requirements. Summer camps (or any other camp for that matter) still requires a Z visa and resident permit.
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