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scot47
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sheikh radlinrol
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 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Sef Determinatiuon for Small Islands |
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Disgraceful treatment of thoe people by our government. However, I completely fail to see the relationship between one case and another. Perhaps you could explain? BTW, congratulations to the people of the Falklands. |
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scot47
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One rule for the Falklands. Another rule for Diego Garcia.
THAT, my dear Sheikh, is my point. |
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revenger2013
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| It's about time we gave the Falkland Islanders real self determination which is independence from the UK. |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
One rule for the Falklands. Another rule for Diego Garcia.
THAT, my dear Sheikh, is my point. |
So you�re saying that because we treated the people of the Chagos Islands so badly, we must also betray the Falklanders. Surely we should learn from our mistakes and do it right next time. |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| revenger2013 wrote: |
| It's about time we gave the Falkland Islanders real self determination which is independence from the UK. |
They don�t want independence. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| No - I am saying that the rules should apply to everyone. |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| No - I am saying that the rules should apply to everyone. |
I�m still a wee bit confused. Which rules are you referring to? And what do you think we should do about the Falklands? Abandon them to the Argentinians? |
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revenger2013
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
| revenger2013 wrote: |
| It's about time we gave the Falkland Islanders real self determination which is independence from the UK. |
They don�t want independence. |
So? Who cares what they want?
You do realise the longer they stay British the more chance the Argentinians have got of taking them off us.
If they want to continue living in their little bubble then eventual independence is the only way they are going to be left in peace. About time they became a part of South America and it is about time we let go of our colonial past. It is the 21st century. |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
| scot47 wrote: |
| No - I am saying that the rules should apply to everyone. |
I�m still a wee bit confused. Which rules are you referring to? And what do you think we should do about the Falklands? Abandon them to the Argentinians? |
I think, and I could be wrong here, is that Scot thinks that it is a bit rich to claim that the islanders' democratic rights are being protected, when democratic rights of islanders have never been high in importance on the British piggies' agenda... |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| revenger2013 wrote: |
If they want to continue living in their little bubble then eventual independence is the only way they are going to be left in peace. |
I�m lost again. You�re saying that if the islanders sever ties with London and become independent, then the Argentinians will leave them in peace.
I doubt it very much. At least now they enjoy the protectection of a nation which is stronger than Argentina, even if we aren�t exactly a superpower! |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
| scot47 wrote: |
| No - I am saying that the rules should apply to everyone. |
I�m still a wee bit confused. Which rules are you referring to? And what do you think we should do about the Falklands? Abandon them to the Argentinians? |
I think, and I could be wrong here, is that Scot thinks that it is a bit rich to claim that the islanders' democratic rights are being protected, when democratic rights of islanders have never been high in importance on the British piggies' agenda... |
I see. I would say that if we are protecting rights that we ignored in the past then we�re moving in the right direction. |
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Sashadroogie
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It can be looked at in that way - the optimistic way. But, I fear that this new-found concern for islanders' rights is really only about trying to maintain the ability 'to punch above our weight'.
Were it in the UK's strategic interests today to forcibly deport all the islanders, then I think that would still be a real possibility, as it has always been.
Yes, I know - that is cynical. |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
It can be looked at in that way - the optimistic way. But, I fear that this new-found concern for islanders' rights is really only about trying to maintain the ability 'to punch above our weight'.
Were it in the UK's strategic interests today to forcibly deport all the islanders, then I think that would still be a real possibility, as it has always been.
Yes, I know - that is cynical. |
Disagree. �Punching above our weight� is very costly. Call me naive or old-fashioned but I believe our government has an obligation to defend our people, whether they live in the Falklands, the Orkneys or Wigan.
You believe our government would deport the islanders if it were in its strategic interests. Conjecture. In any case, I can�t imagine a scenario where that might happen. Can you? |
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Sashadroogie
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They did it even in the UK, when Ireland was fully part of the UK. Cleared out the Highlands too. Many more persons involved there than a few rocks in the South Atlantic.
A scenario where I am almost certain deportation would occur is, like the previous times, if the US needed the territory for whatever reason. The inhabitants would be out faster than you could say ' deadly toxic spill'... |
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