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abayababy
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| Of course I realize the seals are broken. My transcripts and registrar letters were sent back to me with check marks on them. Don't know if they called my university or not. Again, I am only speaking about the university where I am employed and my own experience. I was clear about that. It is good that you have offered your own information about your experience. I have worked long and hard for my degree. All I am saying is don't ask/ don't tell if the topic doesn't come up. I don't call that being deceitful. |
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al-Californian
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:41 am Post subject: What they don't know doesn't hurt them? |
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| abayababy wrote: |
| . Again, I am only speaking about the university where I am employed and my own experience. I was clear about that. It is good that you have offered your own information about your experience. I have worked long and hard for my degree. All I am saying is don't ask/ don't tell if the topic doesn't come up. I don't call that being deceitful. |
So let me get this straight.
Based on your experience, you're saying that you have the license to hide the fact that your degree is actually a degree earned online?
Basically you're saying is that the end justifies the means for you, right?
I've heard of people from "third world" countries lying and cheating their way to a job here, but now I've actually witnessed a Westerner that is an actual proponent of kissing ethics goodbye.
No wonder the Saudis are not offering us the high salaries or respecting us like they used to. This concerns me in a major way because now my reputation as an American is sketchy and I have desperados like you to thank. Here's a big THANK YOU.
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al-Californian
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:03 am Post subject: Anything for a j.o.b. |
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| I think you are way too concerned about the 10% online degree. If the university is an accredited, brick and mortar institution, your diploma won't mention anything about online or distance and it will pass the "degree verify" process, no matter what percentage was completed online. You shouldn't even mention the online component unless you want to talk yourself out of a job. |
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abayababy
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I stand by my words. Many degrees earned nowadays via distance learning are just as hard won, if not more so, as
those earned in a face to face classroom. Again, all I am saying is don't ask, don't tell. I'm sorry you have a problem with that. I don't. I know many hard-working individuals here in Saudi who are working on their Masters in TESOL or Linguistics via distance learning. In the near future, I am quite sure any degree from an accredited university will be officially recognized. BTW, I was hired based on my credentials before I received my Masters, as I did not have my diploma at the time of application. I have a BA in History and an EFL certificate, earned face to face, plus two years EFL classroom teaching and 20 years in a non-traditional teaching environment. There are many here with more EFL experience and better credentials, but I am still well-qualified to be teaching here. |
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veiledsentiments
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I agree with abayababy. I would not mention that my MA was online unless I was directly asked about it. (of course, I wouldn't lie if asked) Universities don't state this on documents... or at least haven't as a normal procedure. If I know that they won't print it on there... I certainly wouldn't bring it up.
The fact that some employers are prejudiced against online degrees is rapidly becoming ridiculous since local universities around the Gulf are starting to offer them. 
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al-Californian
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I am sure that Saudis would be the first to benefit from these winds of change. KSAi is a different playing field and I haven't met any of these guys who have online degrees or are going for them. Why? Because their Ministry of Higher Education thinks it's not good enough. Nationals don't get a pass so why should we? There will be a time to pay the piper......
�The fact is that many have lost money and years of their lives studying online to find out that their degrees are not accepted and that is tragic,� said Dina Mohammed, a Saudi student who had been studying online for a Bachelor�s degree in Marketing from the US-based University of Michigan.
http://www.arabnews.com/node/333348 (yea I know it's dated)
There will be a time to pay the piper...... |
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abayababy
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| This concerns me in a major way because now my reputation as an American is sketchy and I have desperados like you to thank. |
I hardly think your sketchy reputation is a direct result of a Masters degree that my current employer is not even aware that I possess. |
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al-Californian
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| This concerns me in a major way because now my reputation as an American is sketchy and I have desperados like you to thank. |
I hardly think your sketchy reputation is a direct result of a Masters degree that my current employer is not even aware that I possess. |
Funny how you have been teaching "non-traditional classes" for 20 years and lied your way to a job. Saudis might think, heck if one American covers up the truth just to get here, then al-Californian might have done the same. THANKS AGAIN.
You should start a youtube channel on the 101s of how to con your employer in KSA. Hurry because you're over the hill and you won't have a job once you turn 50.
Teach us how your don't ask don't tell philosophy is applied in terms of lying about your age once your golden years welcome you.
Now excuse me because I have to go apply for my online PhD, which "my employer will not know it exists." |
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abayababy
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Try to keep up. As I mentioned in a previous post, I was hired on the basis of my BA, my EFL cert, and 2 years of EFL teaching experience. All of it was verified via the standard procedure and many of the teachers where I work have about the same qualifications. My Masters was recently awarded, well after I received the job offer, and some time after arriving in KSA. Obviously, the fact that I was in the final stages of grad school was on my CV, but as has been mentioned many times on this board, almost doesn't count in KSA and during the job interview it received little if any attention. The interviewer was much more interested in my life experience and previous teaching for an internationally known alternative education program. Please explain to me how that translates into lying my way into a job. |
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