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piglet44
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"It takes all kinds. I will never understand how people can be happy working 10 hours a week, 38 weeks a year. I would go batty with boredom. Thats not semi retired, that barely qualifies as part-time. Ten year old kids in full time education often work more hours than that to earn pocket money!"
IT does indeed take all kinds. I came to China to get away from teaching 38 Western kids in a classroom and having no life. In China I can live,work a bit,have 4 days off to do what I like,read,travel,listen to music,play guitar,eat interesting food.The students here respect me,and talk to me,and the bosses leave me alone.I don't have to do grading,attend boring meetings or set a billion exams.So yes life in China is good. |
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Simon in Suzhou
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
Posts: 404
Location: GZ
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| Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:05 am Post subject: Re: Negotiating with Universities |
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| fred13331 wrote: |
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| fred13331 wrote: |
Now, someone will come on and call this a bragging post. Go ahead, knock yourself out |
I don't think you are bragging but have to wonder if you truly believe jobs like that are common.
Actually....I'd really like to know if they are hiring.
Grats on landing a solid gig. |
They have a lot of FTs, there is usually a good few new hires every Sept. Common is a vague word - I believe a large number of such jobs exist, whilst acknowledging there is a significantly larger number of crappier jobs. |
No offense, Fred, but your kind of job is NOT common, despite your "beliefs," ESPECIALLY when it comes to health care coverage (which is the topic). Most professional Chinese people don't get the kind of coverage you have. There are plenty of jobs with decent salaries commiserate with yours, but NOT WITH THAT KIND OF HEALTHCARE. Most of the higher paying employers figure you are making enough to pay out of your own pocket.
You are just being dishonest when you write, "Lots of people work for the partner universities and get western salaries." No, LOTS of people do not have these jobs (very few do).
If you read my posts, you will see I am not one to slag on China, quite the opposite in fact. I also hate the guys who are completely negative about EVERYTHING in China. Clearly, as someone married to a Chinese woman and plan on staying you have a vested life here. But you do a disservice to people considering coming to China by not being honest about the healthcare system. Let me avoid being vague: your situation is the EXCEPTION, not the rule. |
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fred13331
Joined: 20 Feb 2012
Posts: 108
Location: Southern China
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Negotiating with Universities |
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| Simon in Suzhou wrote: |
| fred13331 wrote: |
| muffintop wrote: |
| fred13331 wrote: |
Now, someone will come on and call this a bragging post. Go ahead, knock yourself out |
I don't think you are bragging but have to wonder if you truly believe jobs like that are common.
Actually....I'd really like to know if they are hiring.
Grats on landing a solid gig. |
They have a lot of FTs, there is usually a good few new hires every Sept. Common is a vague word - I believe a large number of such jobs exist, whilst acknowledging there is a significantly larger number of crappier jobs. |
No offense, Fred, but your kind of job is NOT common, despite your "beliefs," ESPECIALLY when it comes to health care coverage (which is the topic). Most professional Chinese people don't get the kind of coverage you have. There are plenty of jobs with decent salaries commiserate with yours, but NOT WITH THAT KIND OF HEALTHCARE. Most of the higher paying employers figure you are making enough to pay out of your own pocket.
You are just being dishonest when you write, "Lots of people work for the partner universities and get western salaries." No, LOTS of people do not have these jobs (very few do).
If you read my posts, you will see I am not one to slag on China, quite the opposite in fact. I also hate the guys who are completely negative about EVERYTHING in China. Clearly, as someone married to a Chinese woman and plan on staying you have a vested life here. But you do a disservice to people considering coming to China by not being honest about the healthcare system. Let me avoid being vague: your situation is the EXCEPTION, not the rule. |
You might actually want to read my posts properly before replying. I never indicated by belief that such jobs were 'commonplace' but I did say there are lots of such jobs. A subtle difference granted. Let me explain further for your edification. If there are, wild guess, 250,000 foreign teachers in China. and 5% of these are good jobs = 12,500 - that is a lot. I did say there are many more bad jobs, but there are still a 'lot' of good jobs.
But you do a disservice to people considering coming to China by not being honest about the healthcare system.
Please point out to me where I said this was commonplace - once again I referred specifically to my situation.
You are just being dishonest when you write, "Lots of people work for the partner universities and get western salaries
No I am not. If you actually read the paragraph properly - I was referring to my university. In my university this is true. Your miscomprehension, not my dishonesty.
commiserate commensurate?
Finally, may I point out, that saying 'no offense' just before calling a person a dishonest liar does not nullify the offense? |
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fred13331
Joined: 20 Feb 2012
Posts: 108
Location: Southern China
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Negotiating with Universities |
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I really don't understand all the comments, no-one on here ever seems to have a good thing to say about uni's.
My Uni pays an average 10K a month. 5% raise a year. Stay a while, earn more, lots of guys have been here 10+ years. Lots of people work for the partner universities and get western salaries. Nearly everyone else works more than the 10 to 16 hours the uni requires of them. The uni often informs us of people looking for our part-time services. If you are happy to to 25 to 30 hours you can make 20K easily. I work for them 30 weeks a year, 14 hours a week, but get paid 12 monthly salaries.For the next 12 weeks I am doing 40 hours, including 26 hours of non university teaching. I will be knackered before it finishes, but, I'll be making good bank.
The health coverage works - I got 18K back on a 20 K bill for a shattered clavicle. Handed the receipts to the IO, 6 weeks later, money transferred to my account. I was free to choose my own hospital. The docs recommended a new type of titanium plate which was 6k more expensive - we rang the IO, the said 'sure, whatever the docs think'. These boards are full of negativity - but there are plenty of good jobs in China.
Now, someone will come on and call this a bragging post. Go ahead, knock yourself out |
Did you start on that base or have you worked your way up to it?
Lot to be said for that approach if you get into a good school and can collect your 'home comforts' around you. |
This school has a very detailed and, fair salary scale. One does not start out on 10K plus. In fact, a newly arrived single degree holder gets considerably less. But, every degree/qualification/piece of experience is rewarded.
If you have been in China a few years before you join them - more money.
Every year you are with them - more money.
Got a celta?
Good performance reviews?
Masters is 1000 rmb a month - not huge, but worth having
Ph.D - 1500 a month
Tied in to a partner university in the west? - big bucks
So, to answer your question, the starting base can be a good deal lower, but, got a masters? A CELTA. years in country? - then apply it becomes a tasty gig.
There is a guy, working for a university in England, AND does an extra teaching load as a regular FT - he has contracts with the home Uni AND the Chinese one - he regularly teaches 40 hours a week. He has been here 11 years, does tutoring, writes for a newspaper, has a radio show - I'd be surprised if he is on less than 60K. For anyone with reading comprehension problems - THIS IS NOT COMMONPLACE.
I work directly for the university, pick up a few quid as an agent for a home university, tutor a lot, proofread for GDTV. People here work hard but make a lot of money - again THIS IS NOT COMMONPLACE.
We have kick ass insurance, as I recently discovered to my intense gratification. We get a free holiday every year, flights and hotels paid. THIS IS NOT COMMOPLACE |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
Posts: 4724
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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That's great Fred.
A good lesson to those who bleat about China and salaries.
Wish there were more like your employer, but FTs can do their bit by persevering with employers who do show signs of encouraging a 'career' approach. |
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fred13331
Joined: 20 Feb 2012
Posts: 108
Location: Southern China
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
That's great Fred.
A good lesson to those who bleat about China and salaries.
Wish there were more like your employer, but FTs can do their bit by persevering with employers who do show signs of encouraging a 'career' approach. |
There are some, but not enough. Its not entirely the fault of the employers - after all, most foreigners only come for a year or two. It is hard for progressive schools to adopt a career approach, when there are few career orientated FTs in China. However, this is a good gig, and if you want to know more I will share by PM. They generally hire a new crop every Sept |
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SledgeCleaver
Joined: 02 Mar 2013
Posts: 126
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| Haha, did I accidentally plagiarize Mister Wu? My sincere apologies sir, I don't currently live in China so it was very difficult for me to find a more common Chinese name than Wu or a more common dish than noodles. In any case, good work on coining something memorable, it came straight to the tips of my fingers. |
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