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rioux
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 Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:00 am Post subject: University Policy: Overnight and Permanent Guests? |
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I guess it is up to the university how flexible they want to be concerning this issue.
What do you think a fair policy would be for overnight and permanent guests staying in an apartment of a foreign teacher within the university campus?
I knew one guy that insisted on having his girlfriend move in soon after he arrived while another guy let his friend stay for a few days.
Where is the line drawn between being acceptable and being unacceptable? |
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xiguagua
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Should there be a line drawn?
I suppose you could argue that the school is providing you a apartment so they may have objections of people LIVING there for free which I can kind of understand, and I would certainly let them know or ask permission beforehand. I have lived with a girl in China and I asked the school beforehand, they had no objections. A teacher at my current school lives with his gf and as far as I know, it was made clear before hiring........actually.......that girls "connections" was the reason he was hired so bleh.
GUESTS, I don't think the school should complain. If they are staying for a week or just visiting whatever then it seems stupid to make a big deal out of. My school requires me to pay 10yuan a night for guests which I think it beyond stupid. They say it's for additional electricity/water usage but, if I stay here by myself and leave all the lights on and the water running constantly, nothing is said about it. As soon as a 2nd person stays the night, I have to pay 10yuan........doesn't make sense.
Guests at my place also have to sign in with their ID card before being allowed entrance.
Unless a guest is staying for a prolonged period of time, I don't think there's any need to make a big deal out of it. |
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it'snotmyfault
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Here's a (typical?) university contract.
A lot of the wording on these contracts can be off-putting when you first read them. Not sure how rigorously they are enforced though.
I had a foreign friend stay with me and the FAO wanted me to fill out some silly form that required endless details. I didn't bother and he just forgot about it.
Ⅶ.Visitors, Overnight Absences and Travel
1. All visitors are asked to register at the guardhouse. Our staff and students are required to show their pictured ID cards issued by the university. Outside visitors are required to show their ID cards issued by the Public Security Bureau. The security guards have the right to decline those visitors without valid certificates. If Party B�s parents, spouses, or children come to visit, the application must be submitted for approval in advance for them to stay overnight. Other visitors are suggested to leave before 11:00 pm and should not stay overnight.
2. Please advise Party A beforehand if Party B plans to be off campus overnight.
3. If Party B�s friends invite Party B to have an outing or pay a visit, please keep Party A well informed for the sake of safety.
4. Please make a request at least two days in advance if Party B plans to travel during holidays or vacations. Please report to Party A the travel itinerary so that Party A can ascertain if those areas are open to foreigners.
5. If Party B stays outside overnight or leave the campus beyond a period of 24 hours, please notify Party A formally. Party B should maintain safety and bear all responsibilities for the actions. Please remember to close the doors and windows, turn off gas and electricity power, and remember to take necessary identification cards.
6. If Party B�s relatives or friends come to visit for an extended period, please inform Party A in advance. Only the spouse or relatives of Party B are permitted to live in the apartment for an extended duration.
7. Party B should take full responsibility for any troubles caused by his or her visitors. Party A is not responsible for theft or damage of the personal items, which may arise from the visitors. |
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hilena_westb
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| Follow the rules given to you or resign. If not stated in the contract, it's still enforceable as I am sure there is also a clause that states you must follow all the rules and regulations of the university; which is how they cover themselves for any rule they create but forget to inform you of. I refuse to live on any campus as my life is my life, not "dictatable" by the employer; in my opinion anyway. There are a multitude of reasons they have enacted such rules, including: legal responsibility, liability, social and moral values, laws regarding non-married folk from living together, and so on. Again, as many threads imply, if you can't follow the rules, then you don't belong here. And so, I have my own home, married, a new child, and such. Therefore, nobody controls my life, trust me. |
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it'snotmyfault
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| hilena_westb wrote: |
| trust me. |
I'm a doctor  |
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rogerwilco
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rogerwilco
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| hilena_westb wrote: |
| .....married....... Therefore, nobody controls my life..... |
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xiguagua
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| hilena_westb wrote: |
| Therefore, nobody controls my life, trust me. |
She's a rebellious outlaw that lives by no mans rules. A doctor who ruled hospitals with wreckless abandon, until she was cast out into the lost world of China. She is............Hilena: The Road Warrior ::begin theme music::
Teach me how to be oh so cool plx. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| it'snotmyfault wrote: |
| hilena_westb wrote: |
| trust me. |
I'm a doctor |
nahhhh, he just stayed at a holiday inn express�!!!!!! |
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Non Sequitur
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Given that I insist on single occupancy of an apartment when I'm negotiating, I don't think it unreasonable to be expected to pay something if I opt to have someone stay for more then a night or two.
The argument that if you lived alone you might leave the water running and the lights on is childish.
How we can expect Chinese to treat FTs better where there is this mindset out there, defeats me.
Why not just front the FAO and say my M&F are coming to visit - is that OK?
These after all are schools and even in China there is likely to be a duty of care to the students. |
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randyj
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| it'snotmyfault wrote: |
Here's a (typical?) university contract.
A lot of the wording on these contracts can be off-putting when you first read them. Not sure how rigorously they are enforced though.
I had a foreign friend stay with me and the FAO wanted me to fill out some silly form that required endless details. I didn't bother and he just forgot about it.
Ⅶ.Visitors, Overnight Absences and Travel
1. All visitors are asked to register at the guardhouse. Our staff and students are required to show their pictured ID cards issued by the university. Outside visitors are required to show their ID cards issued by the Public Security Bureau. The security guards have the right to decline those visitors without valid certificates. If Party B�s parents, spouses, or children come to visit, the application must be submitted for approval in advance for them to stay overnight. Other visitors are suggested to leave before 11:00 pm and should not stay overnight.
2. Please advise Party A beforehand if Party B plans to be off campus overnight.
3. If Party B�s friends invite Party B to have an outing or pay a visit, please keep Party A well informed for the sake of safety.
4. Please make a request at least two days in advance if Party B plans to travel during holidays or vacations. Please report to Party A the travel itinerary so that Party A can ascertain if those areas are open to foreigners.
5. If Party B stays outside overnight or leave the campus beyond a period of 24 hours, please notify Party A formally. Party B should maintain safety and bear all responsibilities for the actions. Please remember to close the doors and windows, turn off gas and electricity power, and remember to take necessary identification cards.
6. If Party B�s relatives or friends come to visit for an extended period, please inform Party A in advance. Only the spouse or relatives of Party B are permitted to live in the apartment for an extended duration.
7. Party B should take full responsibility for any troubles caused by his or her visitors. Party A is not responsible for theft or damage of the personal items, which may arise from the visitors. |
Whether a school attempts to enforce such boilerplate often depends on whether incidents have occurred. If a problem causes people to focus on this issue, then you may see a clampdown. Otherwise, they frequently turn a blind eye. |
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Simon in Suzhou
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Given that I insist on single occupancy of an apartment when I'm negotiating, I don't think it unreasonable to be expected to pay something if I opt to have someone stay for more then a night or two.
The argument that if you lived alone you might leave the water running and the lights on is childish.
How we can expect Chinese to treat FTs better where there is this mindset out there, defeats me.
Why not just front the FAO and say my M&F are coming to visit - is that OK?
These after all are schools and even in China there is likely to be a duty of care to the students. |
Everywhere I've lived in China my apartment is MY APARTMENT, and no one has cared who stays at my place. It's not a hotel! I've always had to pay for my own utilities, so the argument that I'm costing the school more money if my gf lives with me is moot. I know there are places that are very controlling and have severe restrictions (no overnight guests, signing in guests, etc.), but I would never work at such a place. I'm an adult and this is 2013...even in China! It's a dealbreaker.
I suppose turning your home into some sort of homeless shelter/community might be crossing the line... |
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dakelei
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| My Chinese GF has lived with me on my uni campus for almost 3 years now. This was after I was told she wasn't allowed to. I moved her in anyway and we've been left alone. She's a good girl and we have caused no trouble. She works a lot. I'm convinced the school FAO told me she couldn't live here largely as a CYA thing. IF she were to cause trouble they could always say they didn't know she was living here and I was told she couldn't. If anyone were to confront her she has been instructed by me to say she doesn't actually LIVE here but just frequently stays over and that's why so much of her stuff is here. A few months back we were out shopping together and we ran into an FAO worker at the supermarket, who was shopping with her newborn daughter. The GF and the FAO worker exchanged pleasantries. The school knows she is here. It's a case of just letting things lie. No need to make trouble, ya know. |
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xiguagua
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| Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Given that I insist on single occupancy of an apartment when I'm negotiating, I don't think it unreasonable to be expected to pay something if I opt to have someone stay for more then a night or two.
The argument that if you lived alone you might leave the water running and the lights on is childish.
How we can expect Chinese to treat FTs better where there is this mindset out there, defeats me.
Why not just front the FAO and say my M&F are coming to visit - is that OK?
These after all are schools and even in China there is likely to be a duty of care to the students. |
It's just an example buddy, keep your pants on.  How can the Chinese expect to attract decent FT's when they don't allow you to have guests over, or make you pay for them to stay over? Or give you curfews at night and lock the doors to your complex or just in general treat you like an adult instead of a child....
If all schools paid more to allow for people to find their own apts, and gave some help doing this for newbies, then it wouldn't be a problem. But if you're only making 5k a month, many schools won't give you extra cash if you refuse to live in their apartments.....so you either have to pay more money out of your own pocket, or deal with the school and their horrible rules. Yes I know some schools do this and I also know some schools don't have horrible rules about this.
It honestly doesn't bother me, I don't have guests over and I don't stay out all night partying.....it's the principle. |
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