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[qahirii]

Dear all,

I think this topic is different than the myriad related debates already on the site.

Worldwide, region by region, what would an M.A. TESOL (or Applied Linguistics) get me?

Worldwide, i.e. region by region, what would DELTA get me?

Basically, if you're in or familiar with, for example, Thailand, please tell me something like "In Thailand, an M.A. TESOL would get you x kind of jobs for x salary."

I'm trying to figure out what to study and where to settle down (mid- to longterm) and I think a lot of responses to this thread about different regions would be helpful to a lot of people.

Thanks,
qahirii

[spiral78]

In Europe, given that you have a passport from an EU member country (without this your quals don't matter; legalities), a DELTA will get you a DOS position in a private language school, or a teacher trainer job. These will pay somewhat above subsistence level; you could likely afford a used car, but not likely buy a flat.

An MA in this region will make you competitive for university positions, along with the above (though for teacher training, a DELTA may be preferred).

The caveat here other than the passport limitation is that these jobs aren't abundant. There is not high turnover, and openings are fairly rare, particularly for the uni jobs.

To get into this region, basically even people with higher quals usually have to pay some local dues, building up reputation and contacts, and waiting for something to come available.

[qahirii]

Thanks for this info.

I read some of your replies to other topics and they were helpful there, too.

As I'm an American, Europe's probably not for me. (Incidentally, I had a colleague who had 2 Masters degrees and 2 decades in Spain but still no residency, etc.)

Really, I want to know how to get a good salary and benefits outside of the Arabian Peninsula.

[nomad soul]

[qahirii]

You're right, I should've mentioned that.

7 years full-time TEFL (this is my 4th post-CELTA)
1.5 years of High School English Lang & Lit in USA
3 years of College TESL in Oman (including IEP & EAP)
This is my 3rd year of University TESL in Saudi Arabia (all IEP)

With that, what would and DELTA get me in your neck of the woods? What about a MA TESOL?

[GambateBingBangBOOM]

In Japan a DELTA may get you nothing at all beyond what anyone with an undergrad degree and a McTefl certificate from some private TESOL training company advertising at the back of the newspaper beside the ad for "Johnny's Uzed Stuff and Road kill Rustic Meat" would get you- language school or ALT. Salary anywhere from 180 000Y/mnth (no bonuses) at the very low end to around 300 000Y/ mnth (no bonuses)

In Japan, an MA in TESOL (or AL) without publications can get you a job working directly for a private high school on a yearly contract (many of which have a max at three years, some which max out a little longer like five or six years and rarely don't have a maximum number of contracts). Salary maybe 250 000Y/mnth (no bonuses) at the low end to maybe something like 350 000Y/mnth (plus bonuses equaling up to two and a half months salary spread out over the year) or similar (no bonuses, but a higher salary and overtime paid for teaching extra classes and and review sessions before/after school). It could also get you a dispatch job working at a university but not for the university that would have conditions similar to the very low end of working directly for a private high school (250 000Y/mnth), but only for a term at a time.

In Japan, an MA TESOL / AL plus publications , usually Japanese language ability and often knowing someone can get you a university contract that may only be for a single term at a time.

[MotherF]

[qahirii]

GambateBingBangBOOM, thanx. It sounds like it's hard to find stability in Japan, as they rarely don't have a maximum number of contracts. Does that mean they plan to just let people go after a certain amount of time no matter what? But I guess you can get around that with good relations with your employer, right?

MotherF, I never imagined salaries in Mexico would be good. I'm from Texas and speak a little Spanish as a matter of fact. You never know. Thanks for the heads-up.

[GambateBingBangBOOM]