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GreatApe
Joined: 11 Apr 2012
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Lancy Bloom wrote:
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| People who say deal directly with universities in China do not know what is going on. |
Anyone else having trouble differentiating between lies, disinformation, propaganda and just outright ignorance?
...AND,
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| I would like to know is there anyone who has gotten a z visa without going through a recruiter. This was the case in the past I know. But it seems things have changed. |
I'm willing to go out on a limb and state that you likely have a large majority of the Z visa-holding population here on Dave's who fills the bill on this point (not that I expect you to listen or to believe facts). I have received two Z visas in the last 3 years and NEVER once used a recruiter. I will renew my Z visa again next month and will not use a recruiter.
Your information is flawed, useless, consistently and intentionally wrong. Things have not changed with regard to the Z visa or with regard to your bad advice.
--GA |
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JRJohn
Joined: 21 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:35 pm Post subject: To Chica88: About HH |
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From my point of view it just seems that HH has just captured a whole swathe of university and high school jobs and rendered those jobs out of bounds. I have tried applying to HH in the past, but with no coherent results. My application just seemed to be dispersed among a thousand mirrors or dropped into a black hole. It was a pity, because those universities might well have been great places to work.
I saw an ad for HH on this website, and HH had taken some university jobs from the Chinatefl website. The Chinatefl website is not perfect either but they do advertise university jobs, and you might get a coherent reply! |
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Lancy Bloom
Joined: 23 Nov 2012
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Location: Hong Kong
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| Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Thils multi named organization, has simplified things for the China government. Many schools cannot get a foreign teachers. They must go through HH. You will sign up to three contracts with them. You will not get paid from the school but by HH. You must stay in their accomodations which will cost you 2,000 plus even though you will be living on campus in a boony town.
China works on friendships wiht the government. Now I will be shut down by all the staff at HH. Many Chinese go to foreing countries to learn English and then they come back to China and the only work they can get is a HH. They are angry because they make a very small salary and have spent fortunes to learn ENglish. Helen gives them a job and a chance to get retribution.
They have trial periods that might mean if you are not up to HH high standards you will be punished. This is a ruse and they will farm you out for less money to another school that can't hire foreing teachers.
I bet Dave's has recieved the most money from HH because HH has advertised the most on his website.
HH Chinese staff changes even faster. I have met a few. Not a happy place but HH makes money. |
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unesco
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| LB your story is fanciful. HH may be a disreputable organization and one to avoid but they really aren't that important. There are thousands of ESL jobs in China advertised both by other recruiters and directly by schools themselves.You sound like a disgruntled former employee. |
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Lancy Bloom
Joined: 23 Nov 2012
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| unesco. R U happy there cleaning up for HH? Fanticy. Why would I fanticize? I fanticize about meeting people like you face to face. |
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SledgeCleaver
Joined: 02 Mar 2013
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For anyone considering listening to Lancy Bloom, I'd like to point out this masterpiece, which he/she posted on 30 November 2012:
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SUBJECT: "Paying for work"
he last 2 years in China have been dreadful for me. The problem is a result of recruiters. I have paid my way to work at different school (public ) and just before it is time to finish the paper work and making a Hong Kong run for the Z visa they tell me I am not a good teacher. They come and watch me before this and tell me I am a good teacher.
What I think is happening is that the schools must pay the recruiter and they try and recoup this money from the foreigner. The foreigner is just window dressing for them anyway. They have a foreigner teach a few months, take some photos of them and tell the parents their children had a foreign teacher.
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I am in Hong Kong now and have run into so many unhappy teachers who have worked on the mainland.
Another big problem is that the Chinese children are taught to be naughty. The parents find it cute. [...] These students know you are easy to manipulate. When the foreigner comes to teach for them it is party time.
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Chinese get their jobs by giving gifts. We get out jobs by coming over on our dime.
I expect this post to be attacked by the recruiters and head hunters that post here. Where have the teachers gone on Dave's? |
In other words, this person who is telling us to rely on recruiters for jobs and visas has been taken in by recruiters NUMEROUS times.
Look here, Lancy Bloom. When recruiters have taken advantage of you multiple times, how can you come on here a few short months later spewing lies (obviously received from lying recruiters) about how "only recruiters can give visas" and "universities can't hire teachers" etc. etc. Be honest, you heard these lies from recruiters. The same recruiters who took you for a ride numerous times.
Your gullibility is absolutely astounding. Please, for the sake of other poor souls you might be confusing, STOP giving anyone advice, and start LISTENING to the people here and THINKING for a change. |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:19 am Post subject: |
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i seem to recall that in a previous incarnation, darling lancy was unemployed
and nearly fen-less in beijing. down to his/her (skler?) last 5 rmb, and
subsisting on ramen noodles and rat droppings. the poor dear was even
considering jumping off the roof, after the police stamped his/her kiwi
passport "naughty-no desert."  |
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Lancy Bloom
Joined: 23 Nov 2012
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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stinky bean curd. In the real world I could take you to court and get substantial financial retribution, or pay a pittance and have you roughed up. Probably have to have to queue up with others for both of these things.
This is very American. You have all the people who post about their problems labelled as the same person.
Come to China folks and meet Mr Stinky bean curd. A man who will help you out in need. Pick your spirits up when you are down. Remember his words their are no bad jobs in China only bad teachers |
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SledgeCleaver
Joined: 02 Mar 2013
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Lancy Bloom, I honestly cannot decide if you are a troll, a recruiter who covers his/her tracks by accusing everyone else of being recruiters, or just a person who needs counseling.
You certainly did post about your problems, that you "paid [your way]" to work. If you're paying for work, then hell, maybe you should start a company where you pay other people to relax? I'll come work for you. You're either crazy, extraordinarily gullible, or lying. There are no other possibilities that I can even conceive of.
"This is very American."
Yeah yeah, and we all have hamburgers and Coca Cola for breakfast.
"Stinky bean curd."
Bean curd is a phrase you see on poorly translated Chinese restaurant menus. We tend to call it tofu. |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| Lancy Bloom wrote: |
| .... In the real world .... |
i love it....in the real world.
in the real world, i doubt there would be any negative consequences to
correlating one anonymous non-identity with another. in the real
world, to collect your 'substantial financial retribution' (psst...us native
engrish speakers might prefer to say 'restitution'...), you'd gotta prove
that these two anonymous characters were not indeed the same
individual.
but then in the real world, we'd have real jobs, and wouldn't be wasting
our time arguing on interwebs forums. fora. forai. oh, heck! boards. |
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Javelin of Radiance
Joined: 01 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
| Lancy Bloom wrote: |
| .... In the real world .... |
i love it....in the real world. |
Lancy's visa to the real world was revoked and is not renewable. |
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unesco
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Actually poor old Lancy has already let it slip on another thread that he is Chinese. Don't really know why he is masquarading as a nasty foreign teacher, other than to demonstrate his vast intellect. |
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pjmazza419
Joined: 12 Mar 2013
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Location: Staten Island
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Why would you not listen to other teachers opinions? That's the first thing I look for when looking for a school.  |
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