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cronolegs



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:01 am    Post subject: China and non esl job Reply with quote

I have been in Korea for 1 year now. Aged 23

It has become apparent that Korea has nearly no opportunities outside of teaching. I don't want to be a teacher for the rest of my life so despite having a stable job I feel that any extra time here is becoming wasted time.

I have decided I don't want to live in my home country.... and I don't want to be a teacher (forever)

Having browsed job sites for China it seems there is many opportunities to pursue a career outside of ESL.

So my question is - How easy do you think it is to get a non teaching ESL job with a good IT degree from a decent UNI.
and
Why are you guys teaching in China instead of following other career paths?

My plan at the moment is to hop over to beijing, buy a motorbike and travel south for as long as I feel necessary and hopefully pick up a job in a location I like. It that a reasonable expectation?
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hilena_westb



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That really says it all, OP. You ain't got a snowball's chance.
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cronolegs



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So would I have a snowballs chance applying from home?
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roadwalker



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good rule of thumb for working in a country other than your own (EU counts as one country for this purpose): you have to have something that the citizens and permanent residents of that country can't provide. With EFL, that means native speaker of English, which is currently, at least, considered desirable, and lacking in the Chinese population.

Chinese universities also pump out IT graduates. What makes your degree or experience in IT or other non-EFL field so outstanding that the government will give you a work permit and a foreign expert certificate in order to work here?
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creeper1



Joined: 24 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:03 am    Post subject: view this Reply with quote

This is serpentenza's take on it. I think he is more or less right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxGCxjaDOYY
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creeper1



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:05 am    Post subject: view this Reply with quote

This is serpentenza's take on it. I think he is more or less right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxGCxjaDOYY
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Javelin of Radiance



Joined: 01 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah you need a skill that's in demand. Unfortunately for you China pumps out IT grads every year and the demand for that skill from outside is non-existent compared to the demand for native speakers to teach esl. Your idea to come here and find work outside of esl isn't impossible and some former esl teachers have done it. But those that succeeded have either married a local, learned the language, have a skill that is in high demand, spent several years in the country, or any combination of all of these.
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cronolegs



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ye thanks for that vid.

Puts things in perspective. Also pretty comical Very Happy
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Banner41



Joined: 04 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pretty much moved from the ESL world to a Foreign Company in China. As stated above it is not always easy. I was coming into the company as a Business Analyst. Well China pumps out lots of business analysts so the labor department was fighting with my company to hire someone local. They had to stress that with us being a foreign owned company that I had to prepare reports going to English speaking offices only so I got a pass. My previous background in sales and marketing in the US also helped but you really need to show them something you can do that a recent Chinese grad cannot. Foreign companies are the place to start looking. Might have better luck.
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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a thread a few years ago that explored moving from FT to corporate or entrepreneur work.
From memory any opportunities were for people who were already FTs with some years of service but now looking for long term careers.
The Job Fair in Beijing advertises itself as filling that niche but in reality most of the exhibitors were teaching related when I last attended.
Joining a large school chain and moving into management would be one avenue. Disney and Wall St have huge expansion plans so starting with either with a clearly outlined management track might be worth exploring.
In summary, as a first gig in China my view is also pretty well impossible.
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mcloo7



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know what city Serpentza is riding around in? It looks nice.
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mcloo7



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently Shenzen.
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