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qwertyu2
Joined: 13 Mar 2012 Posts: 93
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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| My previous career was running my own business as an electrician, and being polite and friendly with customers meant that my tattoos have never been a problem in England. |
Japan is not England.
You may get a job in spite of your tattoos. But I think they will really limit your options. In fact, if I were making hiring decisions, I would probably not hire anyone with neck and forearm tattoos. The public perception of such things here is just too negative and there are far too many qualified people without them. |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1116 Location: Narita, Japan
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| SunShan wrote: |
| My previous career was running my own business as an electrician, and being polite and friendly with customers meant that my tattoos have never been a problem in England. |
Japan is not England.
You may get a job in spite of your tattoos. But I think they will really limit your options. In fact, if I were making hiring decisions, I would probably not hire anyone with neck and forearm tattoos. The public perception of such things here is just too negative and there are far too many qualified people without them. |
I think SunShan has hit the nail right on the head. In the Japanese mindset, tattoos are simply incompatible with the clean-cut, business- / family-friendly image schools they want to project. I won't say it's impossible, but it will be harder, and you're going to have to go to some trouble to keep those tats concealed.
Does it have have to be Japan? |
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SunShan
Joined: 28 Mar 2013 Posts: 107
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1116 Location: Narita, Japan
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| None of my tattoos are explicitly offensive, unless you hate basketball - the small one on the back of my neck is a red Michael Jordan symbol. Others are Asian art - lotus flowers, dragon etc. |
I think you're slightly missing the point. The tattoo will be considered more than offensive enough as it is.
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the more I think about it, the more there seems to be a gap in market for a 'cool teacher': I've heard first-hand about companies like NOVA screwing people over, and private language lessons being too formal, the teacher 'boring' and lessons a complete turn-off.
My Japanese friends (who still live in Japan) said they would have definitely chosen me over the formal and corporate style private lessons they paid extra for during their school and university years. I'm going to have to give it a go. |
So long as you understand the risk you're taking.... Everyone will tell you you're crazy, but I don't know of anyone who's actually tried it.
I'll mention a couple of points that you might not have considered yet:
1. How are you going to get a visa? (Whatever you do, don't let the Immigration Bureau see your tattoos. They're likely to treat them as a big red flag.)
2. Take care to distinguish to your customers from your students. Who pays the bills? The kids looking for a cool teacher, or their parents? |
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SunShan
Joined: 28 Mar 2013 Posts: 107
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1116 Location: Narita, Japan
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I understand the tattoo will be considered offensive no matter what it is.
With regard to a visa, I think if we get married I can obtain a 'spouse' visa for up to 5 years (extendable) that allows me to engage in any paid activity. |
You'll need to demonstrate that your relationship is of long standing (a bunch of photos should do it), that your girlfriend has an income of her own (so that, in principle, she can support you), and she should be of good character and so forth. If all of that's taken care of, you should be fine.
Money & time-saving tip: take care of the legal aspect of marriage in Japan. All you need to do is post the relevant documents to City Hall, and you're married. You don't even need to be in Japan!
At some point, you will probably want to have the marriage officially recognised at the UK General Register Office, and to hold some kind of ceremony, but with the legal aspects taken care of you can arrange these at your convenience. |
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SunShan
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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qwertyu2
Joined: 13 Mar 2012 Posts: 93
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| None of my tattoos are explicitly offensive, unless you hate basketball - the small one on the back of my neck is a red Michael Jordan symbol. Others are Asian art - lotus flowers, dragon etc. |
The designs are largely irrelevant. While an offensive design would only make things worse, an unoffensive design will not make things any better. As Pitarou correctly points out, the tattoos themselves are the problem.
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| My girlfriend and other Japanese friends love my tattoos and the more I think about it, the more there seems to be a gap in market for a 'cool teacher' ... |
You haven't thought of anything new here. The "cool teacher" theme is actually an overused staple of Japanese television: Cool new teacher shows up, uses hip "new" style to battle bureaucracy and motivate apathetic kids to study hard, stop bullying, care about life, etc. By the end of the program all is sweetness and light. But the cool teachers in these shows never have tattoos. Some things are just too unrealistic even for sappy Japanese drama.
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| My Japanese friends (who still live in Japan) said they would have definitely chosen me over the formal and corporate style private lessons they paid extra for during their school and university years. |
Your Japanese friends are likely just telling you what they think you want to hear. Japanese people say many such things when outside their company circle. Not so when making decisions from within their organization.
Not having worked here, you can't really be expected to know better. But thinking there is some unexploited niche for "cool teachers" with neck and forearm tattoos is naive. Tattoos do not go over well in Japan. As I mentioned above, you may get a job in spite of your tattoos, but your options will be limited. Have you ever worked as a bartender? |
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qwertyu2
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I also love teaching and working with different people so it is definitely a career I would enjoy in a school/university (rather than AEON etc). Shouldn't have got tattoos but nothing I can do now. |
University level employment is going to be difficult even without tattoos. Most places want a master's degree for part-time work. I don't know as much about junior high and high school, but I expect neck and forearm tattoos would be a problem for any job working with kids.
My guess is, if you were to have any chance at all, it would be at the mom and pop conversation school level. There may be some quirky owner out there somewhere who is willing to take a chance on you. I could also imagine a scenario in which you eventually managed to string a few private lessons together. But I don't think either scenario would be much of a life. |
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SunShan
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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RollingStone
Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 138
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| Qwertyu 2, thanks for your frank advice. Funnily enough, I have worked as a bartender before, but after doing a 4 year degree I was hoping for something more intellectually stimulating... It's a shame about negative perceptions of tattoos in Japan (which exist in every country at some level). I know that the more diverse people I meet/have met from many different cultures, only serves to enrich my life. If only everyone thought the same. |
This is an attitude that will ensure you are very lonely in Japan. This - why can't we all get along - surely a tattoo or two should not come between us etc etc - stance. Tattoos are perceived the way they are in Japan for specific reasons. Deal with it. I'll bet it won't be the last thing that rubs you the wrong way. Most Japanese would happier if you didn't live in Japan. Going against a cultural more will endear you much less. |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1116 Location: Narita, Japan
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| Most Japanese would happier if you didn't live in Japan. Going against a cultural more will endear you much less. |
Feeling bitter today, are we?  |
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SunShan
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PlanetWord
Joined: 08 Apr 2013 Posts: 2 Location: Chiba
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I came across this thread on Google and was surprised at some of the patronizing and negative replies. I have worked around Japan with forearm tattoos for the past 11 years � including schools and private language institutes. I regret my tattoo, but only because of the design, and cover it with a long-sleeve shirt all year round. It has been awkward at times but mostly accepted. SunShan, as you said, your girlfriend is Japanese and likes them, so there�s evidence of many similar attitudes you�ll find in Japan. Most of the younger adults won�t bat an eyelid as you�re Western, younger children will be intrigued, but their parents... To say it is too hot to cover with a sleeve is ridiculous. Yes it would be nicer to wear a short-sleeve shirt, but body temperature is hardly sent into the danger zone without, and many places have air-con too.
qwertyu 2, �have you ever worked as a bartender�. Is this a genuine question or completely condescending? It�s a job just as in the public eye and likely to gain problems with tattoos as teaching, not to mention it�s unskilled work. If it�s true SunShan is about to get a 1st class degree, I hardly think that�s an appropriate comment to someone who�s just looking for genuine advice in an area they�ve worked hard to achieve something in.
Sounds like RollingStone has an axe to grind too. SunShan actually talked about an ability to successfully integrate with other people by accepting their diverse culture, perfect for working in Japan I�d say. Also his partner is Japanese and they met studying Mandarin in Beijing, can you get any more accepting of other cultures? And what�s wrong with wanting everyone to get along? Not sure what you were reading? The Japanese are mostly kind and respectful. Maybe it�s your attitude that is rubbing them up the wrong way.
SunShan, you may have some problems with your tattoos and I�m sure you don�t need any more info about that. However, another major problem with Japan (and other Asian countries) is that it�s riddled with foreign people in jobs who are unqualified to teach them. You said your previous career was as an electrician. Is it likely that people with a degree in, say Geography, can get a job installing electrics legally in the UK, let alone Japan? No. Well, here people with a degree in anything can get a job teaching English even without a 4-week CELTA qualification. JET and companies like AEON accept people with no relevant degree or experience, and they then make careers here. People with a related MA can�t find work as was mentioned before. Sucks doesn�t it!
Here�s some constructive advice: I understand that you want to come to Japan, but you said that you were studying Mandarin. What level are you and your partner at? Not sure if you want to, but you could consider other countries to work in together. How about China, Hong Kong, Malaysia and Singapore, for example? Especially the latter three are extremely multi-cultural and assuming your partner speaks English � that along with Japanese and Mandarin could place you both in a good position to find a decent job and still be close to Japan. Malaysia in particular is lovely and the people very friendly, and it�s pretty much impossible to get a teaching job with just a degree (even subject related).
My advice, if you�re serious about teaching, is to carry on and do the CELTA course. Then consider doing a PGCE and MA. In just 2 years (potentially and subject to funding) you could hold all of these qualifications, and they�re going to make you extremely employable in somewhere like Malaysia where they teach a version of GCSEs in-line with the British curriculum. It�s the same as the UK � you can�t teach English in schools with a �Geography� degree and without a PGCE. Otherwise there are international schools all over Asia that require similar qualifications, and having them will stand head and shoulders above concerns over your tattoos (so long as you dress appropriately).
Your degree is perfect for teaching English. I assume you have studied language structure in grammar, syntax, morphology, phonetics etc.? and utilised these in different contexts such as critical analysis and applied linguistics? Seeing as you�ve worked so hard to gain a quality degree it would be a shame not to use it. I�m not trying to put you off Japan, but there are alternatives for now. If you want a well-paid career and respect for your qualifications consider these options. Often in Japan it�s who you know, but you may find in a few years with all this experience you can become an excellent teacher and work here successfully. If you give good lessons and engage well with students and staff, it�s possible your tattoos will be overlooked as long as you continue to show respect by hiding them. On the other hand you may be having such a great life you don�t want to teach in Japan anyway.
Hope this helps! |
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SunShan
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