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Sashadroogie
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| coledavis wrote: |
| Nope, your ideas of Skinner being outdated are themselves outdated. |
How? Has audiolingualism staged a comeback recently? Is the Callan method now being endorsed by SLA experts? |
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LongShiKong
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You can also find free book lectures and audiobooks online. What he says about dirty words in The Stuff of Thought: Language as a Window into Human Nature will crack you up!
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| Nope, your ideas of Skinner being outdated are themselves outdated. |
What... behaviourism's back in vogue, or is your degree in marketing? |
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fluffyhamster
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I got to about halfway through the clip, and will watch the rest of it tonight maybe. He was doing OK until he started mentioning Chomsky and stuff like the 'Colorless green...' sentence. (Take a look at Language Log's article 'Colorless green probability estimates' to see what is~was wrong with C's argument). As for Pinker's slightly earlier joke about aliens implanting language into proto-human heads, Chomsky might as well have actually said that too for what little lukewarm handwaving he's done about the evolution of language (IIRC he offhandedly posited that language suddenly emerged as the result of a miraculous mutation in the brain).
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Shroob
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| fluffyhamster wrote: |
| I got to about halfway through the clip, and will watch the rest of it tonight maybe. He was doing OK until he started mentioning Chomsky and stuff like the 'Colorless green...' sentence. (Take a look at Language Log's article 'Colorless green probability estimates' to see what is~was wrong with C's argument). As for Pinker's slightly earlier joke about aliens implanting language into proto-human heads, Chomsky might've well have actually said that too for what little lukewarm handwaving he's done about the evolution of language (IIRC he offhandedly posited that language suddenly emerged as the result of a miraculous mutation in the brain). |
I was a bit puzzled by that as well, especially the, 'green ideas' bit. Pretty sure that's a phrase that will have been uttered thousands of times in the past decade. |
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fluffyhamster
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| Good spot, Shroob. To be fair to Chomsky, green ideas weren't around (or probably weren't called as such much) in 1957, and it would obviously weaken his and Pinker's arguments, or at least cloud the acknowledged lineage of the theorizing, if Pinker had invented a new example. |
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