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MESL



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:04 pm    Post subject: 720,000 yuan per month Reply with quote

I assumed the expenses for foreign teachers were included in my school�s government provided budget. Turns out my principal charges 150 yuan per student per lesson by foreign teachers. Multiply that by 75 students per class, then multiply that by 16 classes. According to my calculations, that�s 720,000 yuan per month. Classrooms are old, crude, rundown. And he doesn�t carrry himself any different than principals without foreign teachers. So you wouldn�t guess he�s a millionaire. This is a public school in a small town. Imagine what kind of tuition private schools and language schools in urban areas charge China�s rich. This is the best kept secret of China�s ESL industry.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The individual teachers are skimmimg it too.
Many hold private classes at their homes weekends and holidays.
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it'snotmyfault



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find that very hard (impossible) to believe.

150rmb off each student, every class, in a small town public school. I think somebody's telling you a tale..
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not difficult to believe at all. Remember what "small town" means here.
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hilena_westb



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the issue with being charged 150-250 per hour per student? If you are doing private lessons for less you are simply wasting your time.
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it'snotmyfault



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johntpartee wrote:
Not difficult to believe at all. Remember what "small town" means here.


I'm presuming this is your average public school job (high school or whatever given the class sizes). Do you think most students and their families have that kind of disposable income, 600rmb a month.
If it was some kind of specialist SAT or IELTS style lesson maybe I could believe it, but not for standard spoken English lessons.

When I was farmed out from my training school to work in the local primary schools, each student paid 10rmb per lesson.
Where I am now the students families pay fees to the uni and it's a small amount for each year or term, I forget exactly, and it's only something like 1500~2000rmb.

Unless there's more to this than meets the eye, I'm not buying it!!
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll echo that...
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muffintop



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

150/hour is far more than what they'd be paying at most private schools for classes with a random foreigner. I find this story difficult to believe.

Is there only one foreigner in the entire town or something?


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muffintop



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hilena_westb wrote:
What's the issue with being charged 150-250 per hour per student? If you are doing private lessons for less you are simply wasting your time.


There is no issue with it. Except the fact that very few are willing to pay this when less expensive options are readily available. To be asked to believe that 16 classes of 75 students each is coughing up that cash is asking too much.
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hilena_westb wrote:
What's the issue with being charged 150-250 per hour per student? If you are doing private lessons for less you are simply wasting your time.


75 students in a classroom don't be private lessons. Wink
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:17 am    Post subject: Re: 720,000 yuan per month Reply with quote

MESL wrote:
I assumed the expenses for foreign teachers were included in my school�s government provided budget. Turns out my principal charges 150 yuan per student per lesson by foreign teachers. Multiply that by 75 students per class, then multiply that by 16 classes. According to my calculations, that�s 720,000 yuan per month. Classrooms are old, crude, rundown. And he doesn�t carrry himself any different than principals without foreign teachers. So you wouldn�t guess he�s a millionaire. This is a public school in a small town. Imagine what kind of tuition private schools and language schools in urban areas charge China�s rich. This is the best kept secret of China�s ESL industry.


Are you saying that the principal charges the families of the students this FT surcharge? Or that he puts that in his line item for government funding? I could imagine the latter, with the proviso that pigs get fed while hogs get slaughtered, but not the former. Where did you get this information?
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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much of that money surely goes elsewhere. However, even if the principal keeps 10 % only, given the demographics of the country, it's a highway robberry. Education around seems to be arm and leg for little. Some kids' eyes never open but their parents' dirty wallets do. I guess this is kinda system developed here; produce cr*p, drive a fancy beamer.
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MESL



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might have misunderstood my source. She might have meant 150 per month rather than 150 per lesson. But what does it matter. Multiply the figure by 900 students. Even factoring in apartment, visa, airfare, etc, the profit is still enormous. The foreign teachers are doing most of the work and the Chinese administrators are keeping most of the profit. Meanwhile, they're put up a very clever front designed to prevent us from discovering the level of exploitation.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

muffintop wrote:
150/hour is far more than what they'd be paying at most private schools for classes with a random foreigner. I find this story difficult to believe.

Is there only one foreigner in the entire town or something?


Agree 100%.

I havent seen how much my employer charges this year (only just returned after a year away), but last year my students were paying no more than 60 RMB per class, with class sizes limited to 12 students maximum (typically 5 or 6 per class).

If students were studying for longer periods this figure reduced quite a lot. I had some students paying around 25 - 30 RMB per class, although this was more typical for those signing a contract for 12 months (or more) study.
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MESL



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

Is there only one foreigner in the entire town or something?


I'm not the only foreign teacher in this town, but I'm the only native speaker. The other half a dozen foreign teachers are Africans.
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