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Westword
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 Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 10:30 am Post subject: Which jobs are good jobs?? |
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I'm curious what people think are good jobs. I'm fairly new here (not an invitation to get snarky) and I'd like to know what seasoned Saudi English teachers believe to be the 'good jobs'?
I'm probably in one of that 'bad jobs' (though it's not horrible). The next job I go for I want to be pretty confident I'm putting my energies in the right direction. I'd be happy getting anything 15,000 and up....I also like the idea of teaching at a university but it doesn't have to be. I don't have an MA but I'm probably qualified for a lot of the jobs here. Ideas  |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Which jobs are good jobs?? |
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| Westword wrote: |
| I'd be happy getting anything 15,000 and up....I also like the idea of teaching at a university but it doesn't have to be. I don't have an MA but I'm probably qualified for a lot of the jobs here. |
I believe you're presently with AETG. Not so good. Anyway, "good" is how you define it. But generally, direct-hire opportunities offer better benefits, pay, and/or working conditions. Not all direct-hire jobs are with universities, though that seems to be the brunt of the TEFL jobs here. Aramco is desirable, especially if you can avoid the contracting companies---if that's even possible. (There are threads about Aramco throughout this forum.) I assume there are some lucrative teaching opportunities with the Saudi military---some of the male posters can confirm if that's the case.
As for earning "15,000 and up," that's doubtful since you don't have an MA (TEFL-related is best). Also, keep in mind employers' preference for relevant MAs. As more grad-degree holders look to this region for teaching jobs, it puts you at a disadvantage. You didn't indicate your actual qualifications, but you'd need to possess some serious experience + a CELTA to compete for jobs paying even less than that. (Salaries aren't what they used to be.) However, there might just be some dream job offering big buckeroos with your name on it. Dream job... |
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Westword
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| Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| It seems to me that getting a job around 15,000+ without an MA isn't a "dream job" in the way you mean. It's obtainable, I've seen plenty of them out there. Check out the job market I think it's changing a little. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| Westword wrote: |
| It seems to me that getting a job around 15,000+ without an MA isn't a "dream job" in the way you mean. It's obtainable, I've seen plenty of them out there. Check out the job market I think it's changing a little. |
I earn 15,000+ but I have a relevant master's degree (included a practicum) and previous ME teaching experience. I can say that the recruitment unit where I teach is primarily interested in those with grad degrees. Relevant BA holders are next on the food chain if there aren't enough applicants with MAs. Those with non-related BAs have a very slight chance of getting hired if their experience is solid (e.g., previous experience teaching in the region). Slight chance. And they won't be getting anything close to 15,000.
But you're the one posting about salaries for BA holders. What are your qualifications (academic degree/major, TEFL cert, & specific teaching experience)? And which jobs of many are you exactly referring to? |
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Westword
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| Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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I'd rather steer away from talking about my specific qualifications and only talk about good jobs. I'm kinda hoping somebody will fill in the list below. All qualifications aside, which companies, academies, universities or institutions are considered good jobs here?
1.Aramco
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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The problem with that is that you may end up with a list of places that wouldn't hire someone with your credentials.
For instance... number one is probably ARAMCO, but direct hire, not recruiter hire. But only a small/tiny (miniscule?) percentage of ARAMCO hires are direct and these positions require the top credentials and experience. (no BA+CELTA+2 year experience need apply)
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nomad soul
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| The problem with that is that you may end up with a list of places that wouldn't hire someone with your credentials. |
Ditto that. Plus, there's no set, national pay scale; salaries can vary with each employer taking into account the quals of each individual employee. For example, many employers (mine included) calculate salary based on post-MA and/or post-TEFL cert teaching experience and very likely, count verified previous employment only. (Verified employment entails a signed, official letter on letterhead from each past employer confirming the employee's start/end dates, job title, etc.) |
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sicklyman
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| Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| number one is probably ARAMCO, but direct hire, not recruiter hire |
I know this is one of your favourite records veiled, but just to flesh out the picture, it is possible to work for Aramco via a contractor and have a better package than an Aramco direct hire. I know this for a fact. However, it may be about as likely for most as the chance of getting hired directly in the first place.
The only advantage that I can see for being a direct hire is that if you have family, you have the option of accommodation on the camp (which you have to pay for BTW). Even if you're single, this might still be appealing depending on how much westernisation you came here to experience.
Anyway, there are contractors and there are contractors. Let's not tar them all with the same brush. |
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dragonpiwo
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| Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:53 pm Post subject: erm |
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Give the guy a break...it's like the Crucible on this forum. Listen mate...I have plenty of friends who earn C$8,000/month and none of them has the MA. There are some good Aramco recruiters and companies like TQ have the odd good job....check out Petrofac too. I've got a well-paid, direct hire rotation elsewhere....it's possible but you need to build contacts.
Positive mental attitude....and don't quit. You'll get there. |
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