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Is the bottom falling out of China ESL?
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd guess that some language school owners make a lot of profit while many don't, similar to other businesses. It is also possible that the school is used to launder money for tax purposes or to explain windfalls from illegal activities, especially if the owner wants to send money overseas, or emigrate. There seem to be a lot of businesses in China that don't have a lot of customers yet remain open. Jewelry shops come to mind. I've heard many are fronts for obscuring the source of funds.
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sharpe88



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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do the math, profit margins are very high. The article talked mostly about foreign book publishers being restricted. If language mills are going out of business, maybe it's because they're language mills? And without a marketing machine like EF, NewOriental, etc. they can't sustain a crappy service forever
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kungfuman



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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Training centers make a ton of money. Managing it correctly is another story.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only imagine the amount of rent many of these training centers have to pay. That alone must dig deeply into profits.
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doogsville



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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wangdaning wrote:
I can only imagine the amount of rent many of these training centers have to pay. That alone must dig deeply into profits.


My former school owns several office buildings and other properties. One of the reasons the brothers who own it started it up was because it allows them to get licences to build or buy properties to house the schools branches, which also have a ton of extra space in them that they rent out to other businesses. They own one 17 floor office building that the school occupies one floor of, and the rest is rented out to several banks, insurance companies and lawyers offices. they make millions a year in rental income alone. Smart businesses don't pay high rents. The other kind of businesses come and go.
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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see plenty of vacant highrise floors or empty buildings around. I don't know how smart it is to own unoccupied space; i guess applying the desolate sense of loss into some allusive business is understandable. One may even get on the Senzhen Stock Exhange board.
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't know how smart it is to own unoccupied space

Lost income offsets other revenue streams (perhaps with tax breaks).
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Taiwanlight Zone



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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Jewelry shops come to mind."

Yes, I know this thread is a year old but I couldn't resist replying. It reminds me of Taiwan in the 90s, when they had jewelry shops where you went in the back and changed money on the black market. Sometimes the cops were parked outside ...
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The_Kong



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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharpe88 wrote:
If you do the math, profit margins are very high. The article talked mostly about foreign book publishers being restricted. If language mills are going out of business, maybe it's because they're language mills? And without a marketing machine like EF, NewOriental, etc. they can't sustain a crappy service forever


Please, I'd like to see the math.

I'm not saying I disagree with you or anything, quite the contrary as a matter of fact. I'd just like to see how you crunched the numbers that led to high profits.
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