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lemak
Joined: 19 Nov 2011 Posts: 368
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Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| DG, are you in Luoyang by any chance? I ask as the uni there is recruiting now. Hows the pollution there? |
I live in Luoyang (just arrived last month). I can't compare it to any other Chinese city. |
Luoyang is bottom end of the coal belt. One of the most polluted places in the country. Assume others are better. That infamous trifecta of horrific soil pollution, rash inducing water supply and nightmarish air quality.
Plus sides are the ability to glow in the dark after 3 months of residence and weekend sojourns to the sunny resorts of Linfen. |
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DosEquisX
Joined: 09 Dec 2010 Posts: 361
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Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Markness wrote: |
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Living in Fuzhou now.
It has the look of a big city but the people still have a rural mentality. It's similar to taking Amish people and transporting them to New York City. |
Sounds like you're living the dream, bud...  |
The uni I work at is great. My job is nice here. However, the other foreign teachers are all either much older than me or married (some married with children). So, it's hard to really socialize with anybody beyond the mundane. In Wuhan, it was easier for me to meet people. I had a solid group of friends (foreign and Chinese) who I could rely on for impromptu drinking sessions or shooting pool and there were no shortage of girls who were interested in me.
At the same time, Fuzhou is a very clean city by Chinese standards. Unlike Wuhan, the sky is actually blue on a daily basis and I haven't had any respiratory infections. Seems that less people crap all over the place and throw things on the floor. There are less dirty strays getting in the way of everything.
If you're into a chill, relatively quiet place in China then Fuzhou is pretty good. If you want to get laid regularly and get drunk on high-priced booze every weekend, you'd be better off elsewhere. |
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weigookin74
Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 265
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| What's accomodation like? That's the main thing that frightens me a bit. |
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DosEquisX
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 7:41 am Post subject: |
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For me? Best accommodation I've had on a campus in China.
The school I teach at is solid. Including myself, there are 9 foreign teachers and only 2 of them are leaving (I'm one of them). The reasons for leaving are completely unrelated to the school and its administration. One teacher's sabbatical is about to end and I am leaving China entirely. |
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Denim-Maniac
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 1238
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 1:43 am Post subject: |
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I worked in a city in Hainan that had a population of around 100,000 people. More of a town really. No McDonalds, no KFC, nothing western, and nothing resembling an ex-pat bar. The only foreigners were the other teachers, and the only people that spoke English were the students.
Pretty much everything was challenging, and if I hadnt had such a good housemate, friend and colleague with me it probably would have been a terrible experience for me. I spent almost two years there, but I would never return to that type of place. With limited language skills, every small task is hard, every meal is a challenge and every 'Hellooo' in the street gets tiring.
I now work and live in a place that is similar in size and population, but is the polar opposite in lifestyle and convenience. Yangshuo is very very easy and possibly / probably unlike any other place in China. We have a McDonalds and KFC, but when most people here want to eat something from home we are more likely to hit one of the Indian restaurants, the pizza places, have something Mexican or go for a good old fashioned burger in any of the 40+ restaurants that have English menus and English speaking staff.
The bar scene is quite healthy too. Im nursing a hard-earned hangover this morning having spent several hours in a hip-hop bar (gotta love it when the Chinese rappers battle on the stage there) but if thats not your thing there are plenty of other bars here. Cheap too with local beers from 10 RMB for the big bottles. Foreigners-a-plenty if you really need a break from chatting to Chinese people too. I cant remember the last time someone called out a 'helloooo' to me here. Foreigners are normal here.
My only experience in China is in these two small towns. Polar opposites really. Places like the small Hainan town I lived in (called Wenchang btw) are certainly not for everyone. On the other side of the scale, I reckon Yangshuo is probably the easiest place to live in China. Of the 8 foreign teachers on the teaching schedule at my place this week, only two are on their first contract. One is on his second contract, the rest of us are all on our third.
Both places didnt / dont suffer from the pollution that seems to affect lots of forum members either. I guess I have had a very different China experience to most of you. |
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jaffa
Joined: 25 Oct 2012 Posts: 403
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Yangshuo has a McDonalds and KFC? !!!  |
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Denim-Maniac
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 1238
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| My point is that in Wenchang City in 2007, McDonalds or KFC would have blown my mind. But Yangshuo is so western than McDonalds or KFC is the last point of call when most of the expats here want a taste of home. |
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lemak
Joined: 19 Nov 2011 Posts: 368
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Denim-Maniac wrote: |
| My point is that in Wenchang City in 2007, McDonalds or KFC would have blown my mind. But Yangshuo is so western than McDonalds or KFC is the last point of call when most of the expats here want a taste of home. |
For how rapidly China is changing 2007 might as well be 1907. Guaranteed that same tinpot little town in Hainan has at least a couple of KFCs, a Dicos or two, a Pizza Hut, and a McDs these days.
When I first went to Yangshuo in 2003 it was like a whole 'nother place. These days there's even an Apple store.
The McDonalds in Yangers is certainly a pretty location...next to that swampy lake thing with the karst mountains behind it, but there's waaaay better burgers to be had for a similar price elsewhere in town for sure. |
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Denim-Maniac
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 1238
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| lemak wrote: |
For how rapidly China is changing 2007 might as well be 1907. Guaranteed that same tinpot little town in Hainan has at least a couple of KFCs, a Dicos or two, a Pizza Hut, and a McDs these days.
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This is very true but change comes a lot slower in these smaller places I think. People talk about top tier cities ... Wenchang wouldnt make the top 100 tiers of Chinese cities IMHO.
Chou - You ever go through Wenchang? You're in and around Wanning Im guessing? Id love to know if Wenchang has changed much ... not really in contact with anyone there now. |
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choudoufu

Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Denim-Maniac wrote: |
| My point is that in Wenchang City in 2007, McDonalds or KFC would have blown my mind. But Yangshuo is so western than McDonalds or KFC is the last point of call when most of the expats here want a taste of home. |
.......and today in wenchang, you can buy 5-liter mini-kegs of imported
erdinger weissenbier at the convenient store across the street from
the confucious temple. |
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DirtGuy
Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 529
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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For those of you who crave the low-stress country life, there is an opening at my uni. The housing is good, the bosses leave you alone as long as you don't screw up, and you will be surrounded by the local salt-of-the earth types that inhabit Henan Province. You are also on the main line to BJ and ZZ so you can get out quickly whenever you need your big city fix. 3 of us are re-upping for next year and just one person is leaving for a warmer climate.
This is a good job for a newbie concerned about all the horror stories they read on this and other sites.
DirtGuy
Anyang, Henan |
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Gonzofiend
Joined: 07 Jun 2011 Posts: 4
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| Denim-Maniac wrote: |
I now work and live in a place that is similar in size and population, but is the polar opposite in lifestyle and convenience. Yangshuo is very very easy and possibly / probably unlike any other place in China. We have a McDonalds and KFC, but when most people here want to eat something from home we are more likely to hit one of the Indian restaurants, the pizza places, have something Mexican or go for a good old fashioned burger in any of the 40+ restaurants that have English menus and English speaking staff.
The bar scene is quite healthy too. Im nursing a hard-earned hangover this morning having spent several hours in a hip-hop bar (gotta love it when the Chinese rappers battle on the stage there) but if thats not your thing there are plenty of other bars here. Cheap too with local beers from 10 RMB for the big bottles. Foreigners-a-plenty if you really need a break from chatting to Chinese people too. I cant remember the last time someone called out a 'helloooo' to me here. Foreigners are normal here.
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Ahh, Mojo's, I hear they have redesigned the place since I was last there over Spring Festival. Love the place, except now I'm addicted to Beer Pong. They need a new pool table though! LOL It's nice not to "stick out" like you do in the rest of China, and there is some great food there, although I prefer Shaanxi fare to Guangxi fare. Alley Bar has great burgers. I like Mickey D's but I don't like KFC here in China. They did have a Dicos there but a Watson's replaced it. What sucks about Yangshuo is that there are many, many ways to spend money, so I wouldn't want to work there full-time. (There are cheap alternatives yes, but the Western food is too tempting.)
I was in a tiny town up North and it was just as you described, except for the Loess dust (a very fine soil) it was exteremely clean (no factories) but it was hard as no English beyond "Hello" and "Okay!" was spoken, but I found the people very nice. But my life did become a very dull routine as my two terms went on, but it was still my favorite job so far.
Gonzo
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Denim-Maniac
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 1238
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:16 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Gonzofiend"]
Ahh, Mojo's, I hear they have redesigned the place since I was last there over Spring Festival. Love the place, except now I'm addicted to Beer Pong. They need a new pool table though! LOL It's nice not to "stick out" like you do in the rest of China, and there is some great food there, although I prefer Shaanxi fare to Guangxi fare. Alley Bar has great burgers. I like Mickey D's but I don't like KFC here in China. They did have a Dicos there but a Watson's replaced it. What sucks about Yangshuo is that there are many, many ways to spend money, so I wouldn't want to work there full-time. (There are cheap alternatives yes, but the Western food is too tempting.)
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I dont think its an expensive place to be TBH. I can walk to Alley and get a chicken burger with fries and a 600 ml local beer for 30 RMB. You'd pay that for a taxi fare in some places.
Its no secret I love Yangers ... I really cant imagine Id want to work anywhere else in China! The experiences I often read about on this forum, just dont exist / rarely exist here for me in Yangshuo. I gave a real pat on the back to my elementary / low-intermediate class this morning. They spent 10 minutes doing pair work and I didnt hear a single student use Chinese during my monitoring. Contrast that with the oft-heard stereotype of Chinese students that wont / dont speak and you can see why I stay here!
(MoJo has opened up the roof terrace, its now maybe 1/3rd bigger. They have raised the dance floor too, so its more like a stage for rap and dance battles! Pool table still sucks tho!) |
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DirtGuy
Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 529
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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I just found another reason for opting for a location away from a big city. Spent a few Y on a decent bike and took it for a 2 hour jaunt out of town. Within 30 minutes of leaving my apartment, I was in real countryside. You still had morons honking their horns at you but at least there were not as many of them and the scenery was pretty good. Planning to extend my trip by 30 minutes every week until I can get up to at least 4 hours of constant pedaling.
Now, I had my heart monitor on, I'm staying right in the correct range, the bike is way fast compared to my last one, everything seems to be going well, and then some chunky, middle-aged, guy smoking a cigarette passes me on an uphill stretch on a mountain bike. The ego deflation was fast and painful.
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mw182006

Joined: 10 Dec 2012 Posts: 310
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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So denim-maniac and dirtguy, either of you care to take a newbie under your wing this fall? Both of you give such glowing impressions. I don't have the 2 years of teaching experience, but I've got a solid resume, degree, and learn fast! I'm going on 10 years in the corporate world (I'm only 30) and need a change. |
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