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scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

My dog tells me he wishes to petition the Supreme Galactic Council that he should be accorded all the privieges of the feline species.

Wilsonthefarmer · Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 9:26 pm Post subject:

Scot, what is happening in the church of Scotland??

Church of Scotland General Assembly votes to allow gay ministers!!!
Assembly commissioners in Edinburgh voted in favour of a proposal that allows liberal parishes to opt out of the church's policy on homosexuality.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22580322

Scot, but the Bible says no.

Denim-Maniac · Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 1238

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

The Church of Scotland, not for the first time, has proved that they have abandoned the rightly-guided path.

The Evil One stalks the Earth, seking whom he may devour.

HLJHLJ · Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 11:42 am Post subject:

I am not convinced that there has been such a massive cultural shift. I do not believe mine is the minority position. True there is is growing tolerance of homosexuality generally, but there is, I am fairly certain certain, more objection to tampering with basic social structures than there is acceptance of it. There is no harm in not extending marriage rights to homosexuals, any more than there is in not extending 'civil union' rights to the heterosexual majority.

Here is another extreme analogy, which some posters may view as a bad one, but I think it illustrates an important point. There are many acts in the western world which the majority considers unspeakable. I'll pick one which I presume we can largely agree on - cannibalism. This disgusts most people for various reasons, but not all of them logical. The law is various countries may or not provide that cannibalism is a crime in itself. Very often the official crime is murder or abuse of a corpse. However, the more you think about it, the less sense criminalising cannibalism begins to make. Human flesh is just biological matter, like any other meat. Why not consume it? There is already an issue of rising food prices and a growing shortage of burial grounds in certain countries. Human meat is presumably just as nutritious as any other, and any objections to utilizing it are merely throwbacks to the times when eating it was associated with the crime of murder, and the taboos against it just outcrops of outmoded religious feeling, neither of which have any place in our much more enlightened times, where we could simply recycle the remains of people who have died for whatever reason in a dignified, fully legal fashion.

Yet the very notion upsets me, and I would still object to it, no matter how many apparently sound arguments are concocted in its favour. I would dissent, no matter the so-called cultural shift. This is not a world I would feel comfortable in - not at all. I would imagine most posters agree on this, but give it another twenty years of heavy rotation propaganda cycles and perhaps we'd all then find ourselves 'in a minority whose demands can be legitimately refused because allowing them would cause harm to others.'

I'd still choose to be in that position, rather than be railroaded into a situation that strikes at the heart of the type of society I'd prefer to live in.

johnslat · Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 12:30 pm Post subject:

Dear Sasha,

You seem to think that people are being "brainwashed" into accepting gay marriage.

I grew up in a world where being gay was an extremely strong social taboo, where gay people hid "in closets," where they tried to deny their natural sexual inclinations in a desperate desire to "fit in," where public knowledge of gayness could result in ridicule and bullying, at best, and in beatings and death, at worst.

If you think that "propaganda" could change such mind-sets, well, you give "propaganda" more credit than I do. I very much doubt that "propaganda" ever made a racist accept blacks (or any other so-called "race") as equals or ever made anyone see gays as deserving of equal civil rights.

I am straight but I could never understand why people would or could be so intolerant of such a "difference." I have known dozens of gays and have never felt "threatened" by any on them. Not all of them were "nice people," I can think of two or three that were, well, downright nasty. But much more often I've found gays to be great companions and fine friends. And although I know it's a generalization, of all the teachers I've known, gays have consistently been among the very best. Maybe because of their experiences, what they've often undergone, they tend to have more empathy, more understanding, more kindness than average.

Why many of them are almost as good as I am Very Happy

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Regards,
John

HLJHLJ · Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 12:39 pm Post subject:

Dear Johnslat

Propaganda works - believe me, I know! Russian propaganda is some of the best in the world. So good, its visual style was co-opted by Piggie Marketing departments.

Truly, if a media campaign was started to legalise cannibalism, cannabis or worse still, public nudity, then rest assured you would see a 'paradigm shift' in a couple of decades in favour of changing the law. Any subsequent objections would be attacked as vehemently as any conscientious objectors were to Dr. Goebbels' propaganda campaigns. (There. It has to happen...)

Regards

Sasha

johnslat · Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 12:45 pm Post subject:

Dear Sasha,

My congratulations - you are, apparently, one of the very few whose brains are strong enough to resist the insidious mind-control of the gay agenda propaganda machine.

Stay strong. Very Happy

Regards,
John

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 12:48 pm Post subject:

Dear HLJHLJ

Health risks associated with cannibalism? This is/was an ancient, global tradition, which doesn't seem to pose any more health risks than various sexual activities. Besides which, health risks have never done the beverage industry much harm legally - thankfully!

Hic! Sasha

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 12:53 pm Post subject:

Dear Johnslat

Thank you for those kind words. But bear in mind, I live in a country where nearly every citizen is strong enough mentally to resist. I am not just one of a few.

Pity about the Western world, where Capitalist apathy, a 'none-of-my-business' attitude, will gradually consume all of society and destroy itself.

Well, at least the Communist Utopia will triumph all that bit faster. Perhaps there was a little truth in Ignatius Reilly's political vision...

Regards

Sasha

johnslat · Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 1:04 pm Post subject:

Dear Sasha,

"I live in a country where nearly every citizen is strong enough mentally to resist."

Must be something in the water . . . umm, sorry, I mean the vodka Very Happy

Regards,
John

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 1:09 pm Post subject:

Dear Johnslat

The water here is as safe as milk. The vodka is safe too, but a little stronger. Hard for me to tell the difference much any more, though. Seem to go through bottles of the stuff as though it is water.

Still, doesn't affect my mind. My thinking is a clear of the good water itself, hic! But you are free to dissent on that point too. I do not mind...

Regards

Sasha

johnslat · Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 8:27 pm Post subject:

Well, OK, the premise is no longer true - Yeltsin "decriminalized" homosexuality in 1993 (and it was removed from the list of "Russian Mental Disorders" in 1999). But heck, it's STILL funny:

"Homosexuality in Russia is a crime- punishment = 7 years in prison, locked up with other men.There's a 3 year waiting list."~Yakov Smirnoff Very Happy

Regards,
John