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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fluffy, things we are talking about on this thread: when we use its as opposed to their when talking about people, and why.


We are not talking about whether it is a good idea for learners to ask such questions.

We are not talking about whether other teachers globally would read this thread with interest or not.

We are not talking about Chinese lessons you had in the past.

We are not talking about how much time I should invest in trying to find an answer to a question that I find interesting.

We are not talking about working in Japan.


I did not see your attempt to answer the question in the thread. Just a lot of potential topic marginalisation. No, thanks. Feel free to start a thread of your own for any of the other points listed above, though.
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fluffyhamster



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Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If teaching were as simple as you are trying to make out Sasha, with absolutely no issues (primarily, time constraints) involved whatsoever, then there would be little or no need to ever post a single question on any forum. Back in the real world however, questions arise that may get a range of responses, not all of which the OP will have expected or be inclined to agree with. But as long as there is an attempt at an answer in there somewhere from each poster (and I believe I have provided at least the inklings of such an answer - I certainly don't see you contesting my "on-topic" points (as if the "off-topic" are so irrelevant!)), the OP really shouldn't feel too hard done by.


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Fluffy, things we are talking about on this thread: when we use its as opposed to their when talking about people, and why

Yes, here it's a very informed and teacherly discussion indeed. Meanwhile, in your classroom, it's a bit like, "Why can't I a student cleverly always use 'their' rather than 'its' to further ambiguate the gender, leaving the teacher to clear up the resulting mess that I apparently can't see, despite it being me who changed the phrasing of the reasonably acceptable original sentence".


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We are not talking about whether it is a good idea for learners to ask such questions.

We are not talking about whether other teachers globally would read this thread with interest or not.

We are not talking about how much time I should invest in trying to find an answer to a question that I find interesting.

Yes, royal We is free to not address these (really only my?) concerns, but privately We should at least consider them, as We may not always be guaranteed a good response if We fail to do so.


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We are not talking about working in Japan.

We are not talking about Chinese lessons you had in the past.

I very briefly and in passing mentioned JTEs because they may have shaped how I sometimes perceive certain questions. As for our own experiences of learning a foreign language, I'm somewhat surprised that you would not see the relevance of a potentially revealing anecdote, but never mind. 那是过去的事了. (It's all water under the bridge).
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