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johnslat
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Dear dragonpiwo,
" . . . Just outside Saudi you have Dyncorp . ."
" . . . There was a Dyncorp scam you are right . . ."
" . . . but the oil company which offered me $15,000 a month or a 28/28 rotation certainly wasn't as I has 2 interviews and rang the guy out there."
Would it be possible for put a name to that company? Are you working for them now in Saudi - or are you working for anyone now in Saudi? If you are, would it be possible for you to name the company?
"We look at the experience people have when we get the CVs at recruitment time. We'd rather have John with 5 years experience teaching in the oil field with his CELTA than James who's got his Ma and 10 years in Mexico and Korea. We also look at non-academic stuff as we need someone who looks like a good fit profile-wise. The last thing we need in a 'hard' place is some know-it-all prima donna who feels entitled cos he can rattle off Skiiner...Harmer...Chomsky...Prahbu or whoever. Anyone who likes PFC for example, is in straight away"
I suspect there aren't too many seeking employment in Saudi who have five years experience teaching in the oil fields, but for those who do, could you let them know who "we" are so they can apply?
"Why oh why does anyone need a Masters to teach this lot?"
Beats me, too - the problem is so many of the good and even the not good employers in Saudi want you to have one.
Regards,
John |
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randall020105
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 3:15 am Post subject: Wow!! |
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Wow!
SIXTEEN responses later and the original question still begs to be answered! |
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johnslat
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Dear randall020105,
Yours makes 17 and this is 18 
Regards,
John |
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Azad
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| There is no answer because everyone will have their own notions of what a good job is and isn't. |
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cmp45
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Location: KSA
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Azad wrote: |
| There is no answer because everyone will have their own notions of what a good job is and isn't. |
I agree...everyone has their own standards as to what is deemed a 'good' job based on their own set of criteria and personal circumstances; therefore,you're asking an impossible question , even might go as far as to say......ridiculous... 
Only you can decide ...based on your self -worth, qualifications, experience and how much any institution is willing to offer you...how much BS you can handle...how desperate you are...how good your research ( info) is on prospective employer...there is no black or white...but many shades of grey.
Count how many red flags there are for you, that may give you some indication on how good or bad a place is...if you can't identify a red flag then you are in trouble.
I guess this is response # 20...  |
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sicklyman
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All right, here's an answer: my job is a good job. Always has been. I have no idea why anyone would tolerate working a job that they think is not a good job. Why would you even bother applying? And if it turned out to be crap, why bother continuing.
And it isn't always about money. My last job was a good job. I did it for four years and it didn't pay me a penny. In fact, I had to raise my own funding to do it!
Unfortunately, my job isn't currently available. It can only be done by me  |
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bertonneau
Joined: 26 May 2009
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Location: Colorado USA
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: TQ DAMMAM |
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| A ex-coworker of mine just left for TQ Education from my questionsable institution. His Pay $50,000 yr. Housing allowance in Bahrain $25,000/yr. free car and gas provided. Health Insurance Level A and top level of that. The best in Saudi for Health via private provider. Super annuation scheme. He is very happy there so far. Ill be going when my present contract ends if all goes well. There's one solid employer I know of in the East. |
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inKIMtax
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:52 pm Post subject: Which jobs are good jobs?? |
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| Are the 15,000 SAR jobs for men or women too? That's what I'm asking for and I have a M.Ed, BA in English, TESL Certificate and 7 years teaching experience (4 years in the Middle East, one of which was in Saudi). Is this expectation reasonable? |
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Allizwell
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| Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes. Both men and women with quals the same as yours command that salary amount, which is about the average for a uni-level PYP position. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Which jobs are good jobs?? |
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| inKIMtax wrote: |
| Are the 15,000 SAR jobs for men or women too? That's what I'm asking for and I have a M.Ed, BA in English, TESL Certificate and 7 years teaching experience (4 years in the Middle East, one of which was in Saudi). Is this expectation reasonable? |
That salary isn't likely to be realistic if you're going with a contracting company for a PYP teacher position. Also, be aware that women and men with equal quals may not always get equal pay. And then there's the issue of providing employment verification letters from each previous employer (typically requested in direct-hire situations for calculating salary).
In another thread, you mentioned you received several offers from contracting companies---EdEx being one of them. Frankly, with your quals, you should be looking at direct-hire opportunities. In fact, why limit yourself to KSA; the UAE offers equal, if not better, salaries. |
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inKIMtax
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:19 am Post subject: Which jobs are good jobs?? |
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Thank you Allizwell and Nomad Soul.  |
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l2chill
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Not all direct-hire positions are better. From personal experience with 8+ years as a direct hire at KSU, I would much rather work for a semi-reputable private company. My experience as a direct-hire hasn't been good: my salary is paltry and government housing allowance for someone who isn't a PhD holder is not even worth discussing. Did I mention that medical insurance for government employees limits you to King Khalid Hospital... and I haven't had the best experiences there at all.
I would definitely recommend working for a semi-decent contractor for a good company (possibly Aramco) which is what I'm looking into these days.
Nothing's perfect in KSA, but you gotta make the best out of the choices you're given. |
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nomad soul
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| l2chill wrote: |
Not all direct-hire positions are better. From personal experience with 8+ years as a direct hire at KSU, I would much rather work for a semi-reputable private company. My experience as a direct-hire hasn't been good: my salary is paltry and government housing allowance for someone who isn't a PhD holder is not even worth discussing. Did I mention that medical insurance for government employees limits you to King Khalid Hospital... and I haven't had the best experiences there at all.
I would definitely recommend working for a semi-decent contractor for a good company (possibly Aramco) which is what I'm looking into these days.
Nothing's perfect in KSA, but you gotta make the best out of the choices you're given. |
KSU has never been known for good salaries and bennies, but that's not the case with other direct-hire opportunities. Plus, I believe you stated in your other thread that you have a non-related BA. That puts you at the bottom in terms of benefits and pay, which makes it challenging to support a wife and young child. (A bump up to a relevant MA would have increased your pay and made you marketable for other jobs elsewhere.) The reality is, you accepted their offer and continued with them for 8 years, so obviously, you didn't find working for them that bad or else you would have jumped ship ages ago. Anyway, your gripe is based on the level of pay and benefits and not on the types of sketchiness the majority of contracting companies are known for. I hope the move to the Aramco contractor better suits you and your family's needs. |
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l2chill
Joined: 20 Jun 2013
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| Agreed, my gripes are all salary and benefits related. However KSU has a strange salary scale that puts MA degree holders in the same category as BAs. I had a few colleagues who had related MAs getting paid exactly what I was, which I found extremely disheartening. A PhD on the other had, definitely bumped you up to a different salary category with higher benefits. In any case, I'm sure there are better direct-hire positions and hopefully better contracting companies out there. Thanks for the well wishes nomad soul. |
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