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SaharaDesert
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 Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:32 am Post subject: Ras Al Khaima/ Fair salary package ? Impressions of city ? |
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Hello,
I was wondering if anyone knew what a fair housing allowance
should be offered per month ?
Also, with 8 years of experience, what kind of salary should one expect per month ?
Finally, is RAK similar to Fujeirah ?
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SaharaDesert
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| Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Example:
is 12,000 salary (dirhams) monthly fair ?
is cost of living cheaper in RAK versus Abu Dhabi ?
is the ocean similar to Fujairah (clean) ? |
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SaharaDesert
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| Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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*Bump
Has anyone at least been there and care to share their impressions
of the place ?
I have heard it is quiet but I am not into drinking so
that would be fine with me. |
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Gulezar
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:33 am Post subject: |
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is 12,000 salary (dirhams) monthly fair ?
is cost of living cheaper in RAK versus Abu Dhabi ?
is the ocean similar to Fujairah (clean) ? |
Starting salaries in the UAE are dropping. Those who are here, probably have not seen any raises, either, so it's difficult to say if 12,000 is fair. It's on the low end, but it depends on the position. Zayed University had starting salaries less than this at one point in time. There are probably more ways to spend your money in Abu Dhabi than in RAK, but one can be miserly in Abu Dhabi. There are hole in the wall places to eat and cheaper supermarkets for groceries. Non-Muslims can even buy alcohol in RAK and there are a couple of shops there for booze. Folks from Dubai actually do booze runs sometimes to RAK or Ajman. The ocean is a closed Gulf in RAK, and it is an open sea in Fujeriah, so the latter would tend to be cleaner. |
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Shakhbut
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Gulezar wrote: |
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is 12,000 salary (dirhams) monthly fair ?
is cost of living cheaper in RAK versus Abu Dhabi ?
is the ocean similar to Fujairah (clean) ? |
Starting salaries in the UAE are dropping. Those who are here, probably have not seen any raises, either, so it's difficult to say if 12,000 is fair. It's on the low end, but it depends on the position. Zayed University had starting salaries less than this at one point in time. There are probably more ways to spend your money in Abu Dhabi than in RAK, but one can be miserly in Abu Dhabi. There are hole in the wall places to eat and cheaper supermarkets for groceries. Non-Muslims can even buy alcohol in RAK and there are a couple of shops there for booze. Folks from Dubai actually do booze runs sometimes to RAK or Ajman. The ocean is a closed Gulf in RAK, and it is an open sea in Fujeriah, so the latter would tend to be cleaner. |
It's true there's been a pay freeze at the public tertiary institutions for a while, but surely they aren't offering salaries like 12,000?? That sounds more like an international school starting salary. |
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Ras Al Khaima/ Fair salary package ? Impressions of city |
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| SaharaDesert wrote: |
| is 12,000 salary (dirhams) monthly fair ? |
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| Also, with 8 years of experience, what kind of salary should one expect per month ? |
It's hard to say if that salary is fair; you didn't provide enough info about your qualifications (i.e., academic major, TEFL cert, and specific teaching experience). Also, what type of teaching situation is this? K-12, international school, vocational school, university...? |
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rdobbs98
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:22 am Post subject: |
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RAK can be expensive to live in, many British and Russian expats with money to burn. Was just there in February, got a good deal on a condo but was because of the winter. RAK can be very racist, by the expats, if you are non-white and/or non-Arab. Central Asians and East Asians are looked down upon as the "hired help" by the expats.
I am white (American), wife is Pakistani, both of us are Muslims but got the look of why we are together by the expats. |
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rdobbs98
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It's not rejection, it's racism. I have lived in many places in the U.S. and the world and know racism when I see it. In UAE the European white expat community cares little about the those who are brought in as basically slaves to do their dirty work. Being white and married to a Pakistani, I get to see both worlds.
When a white British woman asks me why my Pakistani wife is in the car with me and staying with me in the condo, and not as the maid, that is clearly racist. Or I am told not to "have sex with the help." But the Central Asians, Indians or Pakistanis, are no better because they comment to my wife that she is sleeping with the boss.
The other part of racism comes when European expats won't swim in pools used by Asians or non-whites, happens all the time in UAE.
The UAE is a beautiful place but built upon the servitude of low paid and mistreated people. Watch at the end of the day when its 50 degrees out and men in orange or blue uniforms get shuttled to the outskirts of town. That way no one sees the squalor they live in in order for others to have nice buildings, roads, and clean rooms. |
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dunteslin
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Location: australia
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| Who is offering the contract? If it is one of the outfits in the RAK FreeTrade Zone, proceed with caution! |
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Expat101
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| rdobbs98, if you are looking for an ideal world without racism, you could always build a commune and live like hermits. The UAE is clearly not ideal for YOU. BTW, Asia is an extremely racist continent, so when they move to other countries and get a taste of their own medicine, it's a good thing. |
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Eisenhorn
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Location: HCT Land. UAE
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| Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| rdobbs98 wrote: |
It's not rejection, it's racism. I have lived in many places in the U.S. and the world and know racism when I see it. In UAE the European white expat community cares little about the those who are brought in as basically slaves to do their dirty work. Being white and married to a Pakistani, I get to see both worlds.
When a white British woman asks me why my Pakistani wife is in the car with me and staying with me in the condo, and not as the maid, that is clearly racist. Or I am told not to "have sex with the help." But the Central Asians, Indians or Pakistanis, are no better because they comment to my wife that she is sleeping with the boss.
The other part of racism comes when European expats won't swim in pools used by Asians or non-whites, happens all the time in UAE.
The UAE is a beautiful place but built upon the servitude of low paid and mistreated people. Watch at the end of the day when its 50 degrees out and men in orange or blue uniforms get shuttled to the outskirts of town. That way no one sees the squalor they live in in order for others to have nice buildings, roads, and clean rooms. |
I have been in the UAE for 9 years and I can tell you that you are painting with an EXTREMELY BROAD BRUSH.
1. Often you see white expats with non western spouses (usually the husband is white/western and the wife is not). IN general, once you tell anyone that is your spouse, any and all of the 'racist' complaints you are saying happen disappear. AS for hearing people say those comments, it isn't uncommon to see white/western single men exploring the other ethnic groups. Once you point out you are married, those comments stop. Rather quickly in my experience
2, Many of the white/western/european expats are VERY aware of how the subcontinent workers are treated and their living conditions. That is why there are quite a few charities across the UAE that raise money, and items for the comfort of many of these workers. It is rather arrogant that you make those blanket generalizations. How many hours of your time do you/did you donate to help those folks? I'm at 10 hours a week of charity work... how about you?
3. As for western women not wanting to swim in the pools used by subcontinent/non white individuals... yea... that is completely due to racism (/sarcasm). It has nothing to do with the way many of these (almost always) men stare, look, comment about the western women. Go figure. That is often the same reason these dirty racist *beep* prefer to use the private beaches behind expensive beach clubs... |
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rdobbs98
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| Eisenhorn wrote: |
| rdobbs98 wrote: |
It's not rejection, it's racism. I have lived in many places in the U.S. and the world and know racism when I see it. In UAE the European white expat community cares little about the those who are brought in as basically slaves to do their dirty work. Being white and married to a Pakistani, I get to see both worlds.
When a white British woman asks me why my Pakistani wife is in the car with me and staying with me in the condo, and not as the maid, that is clearly racist. Or I am told not to "have sex with the help." But the Central Asians, Indians or Pakistanis, are no better because they comment to my wife that she is sleeping with the boss.
The other part of racism comes when European expats won't swim in pools used by Asians or non-whites, happens all the time in UAE.
The UAE is a beautiful place but built upon the servitude of low paid and mistreated people. Watch at the end of the day when its 50 degrees out and men in orange or blue uniforms get shuttled to the outskirts of town. That way no one sees the squalor they live in in order for others to have nice buildings, roads, and clean rooms. |
I have been in the UAE for 9 years and I can tell you that you are painting with an EXTREMELY BROAD BRUSH.
1. Often you see white expats with non western spouses (usually the husband is white/western and the wife is not). IN general, once you tell anyone that is your spouse, any and all of the 'racist' complaints you are saying happen disappear. AS for hearing people say those comments, it isn't uncommon to see white/western single men exploring the other ethnic groups. Once you point out you are married, those comments stop. Rather quickly in my experience
2, Many of the white/western/european expats are VERY aware of how the subcontinent workers are treated and their living conditions. That is why there are quite a few charities across the UAE that raise money, and items for the comfort of many of these workers. It is rather arrogant that you make those blanket generalizations. How many hours of your time do you/did you donate to help those folks? I'm at 10 hours a week of charity work... how about you?
3. As for western women not wanting to swim in the pools used by subcontinent/non white individuals... yea... that is completely due to racism (/sarcasm). It has nothing to do with the way many of these (almost always) men stare, look, comment about the western women. Go figure. That is often the same reason these dirty racist *beep* prefer to use the private beaches behind expensive beach clubs... |
It's not a broad brush and the racist comments were towards my Pakistani wife, I am a white American. The person making the comments was a British woman about 45 years old. My wife is a well educated teacher and taught many years in an Islamic school in Pakistan. The British woman didn't care one bit this was my wife and I tore into her. So READ what I wrote.
The generalizations on the workers are true and you can just search Google and find many documentaries concerning the slavery conditions the mostly Central Asians work in. As far as donating time, I have 4 children, a wife, mother and mother-in-law to provide for so I don't have time for charity work and that shouldn't be held against anyone. I am Muslim and give Zakat.
Prior to marriage I volunteered in the inner city of Milwaukee in the African American community for 5 years, served 10 years in local elected office, and was President of a local philanthropic organization for 5 years. So I paid my dues.
The pool I have first hand experience because it wasn't men but my wife and four daughters who were using the pool and were treated in this manner.
I would watch the Indian and Bangla men play cricket in the evening, in a remote field of course, while I was in the UAE and got to know some real good people. I played a lot of sports so it was a bridge between cultures, however the Brits constantly railed about "those people" playing cricket and why I would talk to them. I would say "why not". |
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