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Some things to think about before arriving in KSA this year
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bertonneau



Joined: 26 May 2009
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Location: Colorado USA

PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:15 pm    Post subject: Some things to think about before arriving in KSA this year Reply with quote

As I come toward the end of my year of employment here in KSA. I am reflecting on things, I wish I would have done and checked out more thoroughly before arrival. I wish I would have interviewed at least 3 individuals extensively that were working at my organization in detail. Saudi needs foreigner teachers much more than we need Saudi jobs. ( I guess that's a bit relative depending on your situation) I think smart prospective employees should interview the companies as much as and probably more than they interview us. If you're coming through a recruiter they should be able to provide 3 decent employees that can say generally positive things about their situations, if not, I would steer clear of any place that can't do this.

I talked to one person via Skype a few times and wrote an email to another through my recruiter, but really wish I had talked to at least three people via Skype before committing to anything. My employer who will remain nameless, until I finish my contract probably isn't the worst in the lot, but definitely has a good air of scum, lying and deceit in it. As I just watched two more teachers leave this week and have now counted that over 50% of the staff doesn't make it through their contracts due to being stick of the nonsense here, I wish I would have checked up more on my situation more before accepting. I will finish most likely, only three months to go, but I would say if you have some basic standards 80-90% of the companies, institutes, schools and universities here are questionable. The last 10%-15% or so seem to be honorable players and deserve expats as employees. Accepting a position over here because it's quick and easy is a very good way to find oneself in a lousy situation that you will either leave or spend a year regretting. So for all the prospective newbies looking at coming over for the next school year I would highly recommend vetting your employer completely and having any and all questions satisfactorily answered prior to arrival and confirmed through Westerners that are presently here.
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear scot47,

Waiting for your "Choose your master wisely" post Very Happy.

Dear bertonneau,

I'd call that an excellent post. I hope that every teacher who's considering going to Saudi reads and heeds it. Very Happy

It could save him/her a lot of grief.

Regards,
John
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bertonneau wrote:
If you're coming through a recruiter they should be able to provide 3 decent employees that can say generally positive things about their situations, if not, I would steer clear of any place that can't do this.

I would highly recommend vetting your employer completely and having any and all questions satisfactorily answered prior to arrival and confirmed through Westerners that are presently here.

I agree with Johnslat. However... The recruiter "should be able to provide 3 decent employees that can say generally positive things about their situations..." Seriously? A recruiter's primary role is to "sell" you the job if you meet the qualifications---that's how they get paid. So of course they'll refer you to employees who have nothing but good to say about the employer. That's no guarantee you'll get honest and complete information, especially if the (western) employees are handpicked by the employer or recruiter. Who's to say they aren't part of the recruitment team?

There were plenty of posts warning others about this employer. In fact, you posted your own hopeful comments within the same threads. Yet, while checking out the company, you didn't heed the advice to avoid this outfit.

Anyway, lesson learned. At least you can add the teaching experience to your CV. I hope your next teaching situation works out for you.
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bertonneau



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: YUP Your right! Reply with quote

Yes, You are correct I came over here with optimism and hope based on talking with a recruiter at length for three months and at least 10 hours. No I'm not joking, I talked to this guy at length. I also made contact with a few folks as mentioned before at the institute. I now know I should have done more extensive research and hope others can and will avoid mistakes I've made, for a better experience than Ive had based on my mistakes.
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bertonneau



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:25 pm    Post subject: YUP Your right! Reply with quote

Yes, You are correct I came over here with optimism and hope based on talking with a recruiter at length for three months and at least 10 hours. No I'm not joking, I talked to this guy at length. I also made contact with a few folks as mentioned before at the institute. I now know I should have done more extensive research and hope others can and will avoid mistakes I've made, for a better experience than Ive had based on my mistakes.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear nomad soul,

What you wrote is, of course, true. However, that would mean there's really NO way to check out prospective employers.

Well, expect for checking out sites such as this one. And even then, one never knows if the person supplying the info is being totally up-front and honest.

It's a crap shoot, I suppose. But if a prospective teacher does a lot of research and "critical reading/thinking," that, I'd say, ups the odds of not landing IN the crap - at least somewhat. Very Happy

Regards,
John
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear nomad soul,

What you wrote is, of course, true. However, that would mean there's really NO way to check out prospective employers.

It's a crap shoot, I suppose. But if a prospective teacher does a lot of research and "critical reading/thinking," that, I'd say, ups the odds of not landing IN the crap - at least somewhat. Very Happy

I agree. One type of source isn't enough; it pays to be savvy in assessing various sources as well as asking the right questions during interviews. More importantly, job seekers need to be careful when looking for positive comments about prospective employers because they may end up only picking up on the few plusses while downplaying the umteen negatives. They need to realistically weigh the good and the bad in order to make an informed decision about whether to accept a job offer or walk away. And as we always say, when contemplating working and living in the Kingdom, keep those expectations low.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even the desperate would be well advised to do some research before heading of to the Arabian Peninsula, intent on making their fortune.
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janesusan



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks OP for taking the time to post about your experiences in saudi. I don't discount the option of a contract there as i think it may be a sensible choice in my situation.
i'm assuming you're male, have you met any female teachers during your stay who were making a best of their time and not regretting being there? how did you find people to talk to on skype? And, if you don't mind my asking, why did you decide to work in saudi in the first place? obviously for the money but other factors come into play like lack of credentials and experience teaching Arabs before making a sideways move to greener pastures like the uae.
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