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Professional TEFLer



Joined: 09 May 2013
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zactherat wrote:
You are not applying directly to a school, you are applying through a recruiter. Personally I would never use a recruiter, but each to their own.


Then how is one supposed to get a position in China? If the newbie doesn't know the language, is he/she supposed to just fly over and hope to find a job that will help them get the work visa? Just curious.
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Ariadne



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Decide where you want to live in China... which general area or city.

2. Research/find schools in the area you've chosen.

3. Go to the school's webpage and follow the job application process.

4. Repeat often.

5. Once hired the school will send you the docs to get your Z.

6. You don't need recruiters.

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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariadne wrote:
1. Decide where you want to live in China... which general area or city.

2. Research/find schools in the area you've chosen.

3. Go to the school's webpage and follow the job application process.

4. Repeat often.

5. Once hired the school will send you the docs to get your Z.

6. You don't need recruiters.

.


This post sums up myriad other contributions.
Can I suggest Rule 7.
'When you've made untold applications and are sure that should be enough, refer Rule 4.'
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Toast



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be aware too many universities don't update the English side of their websites that often it seems. My school for example still lists the contact person and email address for recruitment as an FAO that hasn't worked at the school since 2006.

If it's one particular school you're interested in don't just send off one email to the given address and forget about it. Look around for others, even on the Chinese side of the site and send to a few. Guaranteed at least one of them will find their way to the desk or email inbox of the current FAO.
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds a bit dodgy, i've used 3 different recruiters for jobs in Korea and China, and each time, the contract I sign is with the school/school board they represent, not their recruiting company.

the only thing i can think of this that they're planning on moving you around from this school to that school to make up your hours. that means a hell of a lot of time spent figuring out where you're going and commuting to locations. they could technically even have you do half a day at this school and half a day somewhere else (using your lunch hour to commute... heard of this happening before)
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GuestBob



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toast wrote:
Guaranteed at least one of them will find their way to the desk or email inbox of the current FAO.


I have done this in the past. Any university, or other employer, who is too disorganized or lazy to handle things themselves is an immediate red flag for me. There are far too many recruiters floating around these days (more than in the past I think).

The going agent comission for a NET varies province by province but is normally around 5000RMB. Which is a chunk out of any departmental budget. That kind of money can easily get you an advert on a decent website or two and then you can actually interview the candidates yourself, rather than rely on some random bod to "recommend" them to you.

It's not just effort though, it's personal responsibility. Hiring NETs can be a little tricky and if something goes wrong I think alot of people would rather be able to point to an agent and say "they did it, their fault", rather than take it on the chin.
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Chronos



Joined: 27 May 2013
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the help guys.....Sorry for the delay in responding....I had a few things come up that needed attention and kept me tied up.

So I agree with all of you and have stayed away from the recruiters that were giving me less than the best advice (to put it politely). I have since started contract negotiations with the college that I mentioned previously. I didn't like a few of the things in the contract and sent it back for revisions. The contact person said I could make revisions if I wasn't happy (its a brand new contract they just created) so I took him up on it. I am waiting for the return of the contract. BTW, the revisions are mostly clarifications as opposed to changes or demands on my part. The wording was not clear enough and I didn't want it to blow up in my face later. One part for example said that I was to teach "at least" X amount of classes, but had no maximum, which I feared could cause an endless amount of classes being dumped on me, without any compensation increase.

In the mean time I had a couple of other recruiters offer me other uni positions. One is in Guangzhou and the other in Dongguan. I know a bit about Guangzhou, but nothing about Dongguan. The one in Dongguan pays less than the Guangzhou uni, so I don't know which is a better living situation per se. The good thing about these two recruiters is that the contract is directly with the school and not the agency, so they seem more legitimate. They have sent me sample contracts and it shows the school name and then a space for my name. The others did not do this. So I feel a bit better about these two. If they make a commission off of me, well that's the way life goes, I cant begrudge them making a living as long as it doesn't hurt me.

If anyone has any input regarding Guangzhou VS Dongguan I would love to hear it. Also what parts (district) of each city to stay away from, etc.

Thanks again
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Timer



Joined: 24 Oct 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chronos wrote:
Thanks for all the help guys.....Sorry for the delay in responding....I had a few things come up that needed attention and kept me tied up.


Good idea with the contract details. Schools use the