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mambawamba · Joined: 12 Jun 2012 Posts: 311

We're in Shandong.

Also needs to be legalised by the Chinese Embassy in the UK. Had to get docs apostilled and legalised last year, bit miffed cos we asked if we needed to get it done at the time (when it would have been easier as we were there) and they said no, no bother, now it's all change and it needs to be done asap. Also change to regs in the UK means you can't ask for the docs yourself, your company has to request but they need to be registered. Will let you know how it plays out.

mambawamba · Joined: 12 Jun 2012 Posts: 311

Update, the CRB now the DBS service in the UK does not do checks for people overseas, spoke to lovely fella in Liverpool though.

Am on to the people he suggested, will update again when I've got definite info.

doogsville · Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 924 Location: China

2ndlt_grease · Joined: 12 May 2013 Posts: 2

As far as I am aware, anyone in the UK can use the Disclosure Scotland service. Although, as has been stated, to do it online you do need to have been living in the UK for the past 12 months.

It is also possible for individuals from the UK to request a Subject Access check from the national police computer database (costs a tenner, form needs to be downloaded and sent by post), but this also requires evidence of address in the UK (through bank statements or utility bills). Does take up to 40 days to come through though.

GuestBob · Joined: 18 Jun 2011 Posts: 270

mambawamba · Joined: 12 Jun 2012 Posts: 311

Just to reiterate, I spoke with both the local police station in our county and the CRB/DBS central office in Liverpool today. You can't get a CRB/DBS check if you are a UK citizen and already overseas.

If anyone needs to contact them directly it's the CRB helpline 0870 9090811 which obviously won't work from China so use 00 44 151 676 1997.

Subject access is just you being able to check what they've got on the database about you, it's not a CRB/DBS check.

Mamba

@Doogsville, damn right, it's the wrongest of countries but fortunately I'm from the rightest of counties Wink

GuestBob · Joined: 18 Jun 2011 Posts: 270

2ndlt_grease · Joined: 12 May 2013 Posts: 2

doogsville · Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 924 Location: China

My guess is that the local bureaucracy wouldn't know a legit UK disclosure/CRB certificate from a KFC napkin with a crayon drawing made to look like one. Let's face it, if the tables were turned, what would a British civil servant make of a Chinese form, written in Chinese, with a red stamp at the bottom?

It may be that as time passes they see enough of them to be able to spot a fake, but right now, when it all seems to be a bit of a knee jerk reaction to a couple of news stories, they won't be too fussy as long as they see an official looking form with English all over it.

Which sucks when you think about it, since the whole point of the exercise should be to safeguard vulnerable children and adults from predators. Then again, as I've often said about the system in the UK and other countries, it only screens out the criminals who've already been caught. Sadly it's all we have to keep the people safe. Let's hope it keeps people safe at the same time as letting us innocent teachers keep on working.

NoBillyNO · Joined: 11 Jun 2012 Posts: 1762

mambawamba · Joined: 12 Jun 2012 Posts: 311

We've been asked to get the CRB and have it legalised at the Chinese Embassy in the UK so it has to be a legit CRB for UK resdients in Shandong.

LongShiKong · Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 1082 Location: China

ecubyrd · Joined: 09 May 2009 Posts: 172

Will Shanghai ignore this new law just like they did the social insurance tax thing? I'd not have a problem if they did enforce it (the social fleece scheme being enforced, I wouldn't like so much but that is a different thing altogether). I've always been of the opinion that people that teach (kids or not) should be required to submit to criminal background checks. I will also say that I don't feel that minor infractions should disclude someone.

SeldomSeen · Joined: 07 Feb 2013 Posts: 40

I got a CRB check 6 months ago when I was living in China (it was to get a job in another SE Asian country where I am now). I did it through an organisation http://www.accesspcs.co.uk/. It was fairly straightforward and fairly quick and they told me how to fill out the form even though I wasn't living in the UK.

I also got the form notorised which turned out to be a waste of time as my employer didn't accept it - so I got it done again at the British Consul for $30 which they did accept. OK, it later turned out that this second notorisation was a waste of my time and money as the local authorities did accept the original notorosation done by the FCO - only our idiot of an administration manager was too stupid to know that. Such hassles are par for the course in Asia as there are always a few more hoops to leap through.

Incidentally, the form was from Disclosure Scotland even though I've never lived in Scotland.

theoriginalprankster · Joined: 19 Mar 2012 Posts: 895

As a South African there is only one way to get it - walk into the police station (in SA), go to the room where they do the check (get fingerprinted, palm printed, copy of ID book, pay fee) and return in 6 weeks.

I did it out of habit when going home annually, but my last valid one is from 2011.

I welcome the idea, hopefully it weeds out some of the garbage that arrives in China, looking for an easy gig and easy girls.