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eyepopping analysis of china's new visa laws

 
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5h09un



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:51 am    Post subject: eyepopping analysis of china's new visa laws Reply with quote

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/07/08/chinas-new-visa-laws-target-expats/

i doubt many teachers will see the worst of these changes because any school that screws its foreign teachers like that will probably never be able to recruit another one.

still, i wouldn't want to be one of the unlucky few. Shocked
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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how well the local institutions and the legal system work, when it comes to litigations. I can see a local employer and his fine lawyer full of resources awaiting anything, but I find it difficult to picture a jobless foreign national on a work permit (sponsored by the employer) in the country. Or, is it that foreigners, who file against their employers, will be provided some local government assistance?
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GuestBob



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have read this article before and I think it's scaremongering.

The whole tone of the article is alarmist, for example:

Alarm! wrote:
Under the new laws, the teacher can be detained for 30 days, 60 days or even longer on suspicion of being any criminal act that the school might accuse the teacher of.


This is just not true. Chinese courts, in civil cases, work on the basis of the balance of probabilities so an accusation without evidence is going to go nowhere.

The guy seems to think that everyone is a Red Guard.
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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://chinadailymail.com/

this site is junk. it's worse than

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/
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mwaltman



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The referenced piece is a bunch of garbage. Hardly anything resembling actual journalism. It's filled with attacks on China, the system, the government, and so on. It's overloaded with assumptions that the foreign employees are holier-than-thou and it's China attacking them. China is filled with those without an inkling of credentials, on the run from the law, unable to hold jobs in their home, western countries, and yet the article makes it sound like they are the Pope, being grilled by the authorities.

Journalism the so-called article is not.

Agreed that it is nothing other than "scaremongering." It's written by someone who has nowhere else in the world to go and is attempting to beg for sympathy for the desire and need to stay in China since they clearly cannot go anywhere else.

This is a site that should be ignored. Wikipedia has more credibility in my eyes, than this place (China Daily Mail).

Complaining about increasing policing of a "profession" by those that have no place in the "profession."
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muffintop



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GuestBob wrote:

This is just not true. Chinese courts, in civil cases, work on the basis of the balance of 关系and power so an accusation without evidence is going to go as far as it can if you are a nobody.


Thought I'd fix that up for you.

Pretty sure I just read a story where a guy who unsuccessfully tried to save a drowning girl has to cough up 50K. This was not decided by the court but negotiated through the police though.

I do agree that a lot of this is all just noise but right now it's a headache for many of us. It'll likely go away/be relaxed in a little while. Remember, their economy has been under-performing so it's time for deflection. I've also noticed a little bump in anti Japanese stories too. The two popular scapegoats are getting action again.
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mwaltman



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Eyepopping analysis" makes me think of the Beavis and Butthead laugh - it's most appropriate for the ridiculous of this evaluation of it.
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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mwaltman wrote:
The referenced piece is a bunch of garbage. Hardly anything resembling actual journalism. It's filled with attacks on China, the system, the government, and so on. It's overloaded with assumptions that the foreign employees are holier-than-thou and it's China attacking them. China is filled with those without an inkling of credentials, on the run from the law, unable to hold jobs in their home, western countries, and yet the article makes it sound like they are the Pope, being grilled by the authorities.

Journalism the so-called article is not.

Agreed that it is nothing other than "scaremongering." It's written by someone who has nowhere else in the world to go and is attempting to beg for sympathy for the desire and need to stay in China since they clearly cannot go anywhere else.

This is a site that should be ignored. Wikipedia has more credibility in my eyes, than this place (China Daily Mail).

Complaining about increasing policing of a "profession" by those that have no place in the "profession."
Criticizing the “alarmist” for his poor writing against the Chinese system while taking a shot at his professional life assuming he has “nowhere else in the world to go” and degrading a majority of foreign teachers in the country sounds pretty agitating, detrimental and prejudicial. If this is a competition of who’s more radical, then you may have won here.

So, does he really needlessly alarm foreigners in or coming to China or just inform them in a less than professional manner?
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked up some stuff about "China Daily Mail" and they often come very close to the classic definition of yellow journalism. Not quite "Tattler"; maybe "National Enquirer". They've been known to do some reputable reporting.
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Winter



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ugh. My "friend" linked me to that piece by way of discouragement. Most entertaining are the comments: everyone who disagreed with the OP was marked as a government plant. Very mature.
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