|
Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010
Posts: 558
|
 Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:57 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| I've never heard if any schools that do it, but there could be others. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sicklyman
Joined: 02 Feb 2013
Posts: 930
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
| HLJHLJ wrote: |
| rslrunner wrote: |
| This is also a chance for someone from AEON to extol the positive virtues of the place." |
Please tell me you aren't being serious; that you aren't really expecting, even hoping, for AEON to get into a public debate with you about this here?. |
I took it to mean "someone who teaches for AEON" not an official representative of the company itself. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009
Posts: 1218
Location: Ecuador
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
| sicklyman wrote: |
| HLJHLJ wrote: |
| rslrunner wrote: |
| This is also a chance for someone from AEON to extol the positive virtues of the place." |
Please tell me you aren't being serious; that you aren't really expecting, even hoping, for AEON to get into a public debate with you about this here?. |
I took it to mean "someone who teaches for AEON" not an official representative of the company itself. |
Ah, interesting, I didn't consider that because of the OPs previous (now deleted) posts about the restrictions the AEON contract places on employees, and ex-employees, if they remain in Japan. If his interpretation of the contract is correct, it would make it difficult (and unwise) for any of them to get involved. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009
Posts: 1218
Location: Ecuador
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
| nightsintodreams wrote: |
| I've never heard if any schools that do it, but there could be others. |
I would be interested to know if anyone has heard of other schools that do the same. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rslrunner
Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Posts: 252
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| HLJHLJ wrote: |
| sicklyman wrote: |
| HLJHLJ wrote: |
| rslrunner wrote: |
| This is also a chance for someone from AEON to extol the positive virtues of the place." |
Please tell me you aren't being serious; that you aren't really expecting, even hoping, for AEON to get into a public debate with you about this here?. |
I took it to mean "someone who teaches for AEON" not an official representative of the company itself. |
Ah, interesting, I didn't consider that because of the OPs previous (now deleted) posts about the restrictions the AEON contract places on employees, and ex-employees, if they remain in Japan. If his interpretation of the contract is correct, it would make it difficult (and unwise) for any of them to get involved. |
If someone was working for AEON in Japan, I definitely would avoid any negative remarks about the company, anonymous or not, for their own well-being and to avoid legal jeopardy. No doubt about that.
But if someone had something positive to say about the company, why not say it? Unless AEON would consider even that out of bounds. I don't know.
I am not writing all this just to have a debate. My audience is the people who are not familiar with the company, and would consider working for them. If someone wants to provide a different viewpoint about AEON, I certainly wouldn't jump on them.
Of course, I have developed my own view. At first, I found AEON opaque and hard to understand. But I think I know now why certain things happen during the original interview and continue on during employment. The leading questions, the tests that are extremely difficult to get all correct, the lesson plans during the second round of the interview in which one is expected to model a lesson plan in just a few minutes, all of this is designed to see if a person remains happy and obedient, especially in uncomfortable situations.
The recruiters have a difficult job, as they need to find people who are both self-starters as well as compliant. These characteristics often don't appear in the same person.
But if you want to join AEON, it's a matter of fitting into the system. It's not just about following the lesson formats. It's also about adjusting one's behavior, indeed one's entire persona, so it is in harmony with their expectations.
If one is willing to conform to their way of doing things, and sees the value of doing so, and above all wants to live in Japan, then that person may be a good fit.
However, if one is a libertarian by nature and holds the notion of personal sovereignty as an important value, look elsewhere. You can't just think that you can learn the methodology and then everything else will take care of itself. The company's expectations encompass all behavior. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rslrunner
Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Posts: 252
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rslrunner
Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Posts: 252
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
JRJohn
Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Posts: 175
|
| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:49 am Post subject: In Reply To rslrunner's Comments on Aeon |
|
|
I wonder if Aeon is right for anyone?  I had an interview for Aeon in 2003, and failed the teaching demo-not a surprise becauseI'd never done a teaching demo before. I was cut short short by an interviewer and that was the end of my career with Aeon. I did get to teach in Japan much later with another company, and the interview was so easy. From rslrunner's comments, one might get the mistaken impression that Aeon is a religious cult! 
I got the impression that working with Aeon had some advantages though, compared with other schools. With Shane English school, if I remember, you pay full rent and key money as I did, with the result that you can't save money and could end up in trouble before the end of the month. At least Aeon seemed more reasonable in that they subsidised rent even in Tokyo. THAT makes a difference. Aeon's holidays aren't the worst-and they do pay you on time.
And it is possible to have a good experience with them. Rslrunner, did you have a good time at Aeon?
As for me, I was interviewed once by Aeon. Were they to interview me again, the biggest issue would be the audition or teaching demo. Then after that it's a question of fitting in with the company culture. Would I be able to keep my private self and outer persona separate. YES. It's something I've had to learn how to do. I used to be far more outspoken than I now am. Being a clever actor, and not taking things personally, would determine success at Aeon I think. I am in Korea now. I don't have to worry about rent or key money, but at times I do miss Japan's big cities, and the healthy lifestyle I led when I was there. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rslrunner
Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Posts: 252
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: In Reply To rslrunner's Comments on Aeon |
|
|
| JRJohn wrote: |
I wonder if Aeon is right for anyone? I had an interview for Aeon in 2003, and failed the teaching demo-not a surprise becauseI'd never done a teaching demo before. I was cut short short by an interviewer and that was the end of my career with Aeon. I did get to teach in Japan much later with another company, and the interview was so easy. From rslrunner's comments, one might get the mistaken impression that Aeon is a religious cult!
I got the impression that working with Aeon had some advantages though, compared with other schools. With Shane English school, if I remember, you pay full rent and key money as I did, with the result that you can't save money and could end up in trouble before the end of the month. At least Aeon seemed more reasonable in that they subsidised rent even in Tokyo. THAT makes a difference. Aeon's holidays aren't the worst-and they do pay you on time.
And it is possible to have a good experience with them. Rslrunner, did you have a good time at Aeon?
As for me, I was interviewed once by Aeon. Were they to interview me again, the biggest issue would be the audition or teaching demo. Then after that it's a question of fitting in with the company culture. Would I be able to keep my private self and outer persona separate. YES. It's something I've had to learn how to do. I used to be far more outspoken than I now am. Being a clever actor, and not taking things personally, would determine success at Aeon I think. I am in Korea now. I don't have to worry about rent or key money, but at times I do miss Japan's big cities, and the healthy lifestyle I led when I was there. |
I had a very bad time with Aeon. But other people do not.
Aeon does pay its employees on time. They make it easier for people who are coming to Japan for the first time.
If I had to provide a sentence answer for how to succeed at Aeon, it would be this: Learn to copy or model what other people are doing, as quickly as you can.
It's very hard for outsiders to figure out how Aeon works, as they are secretive and opaque in their dealings. Which is precisely why it's so important for people who are interested in working for them to understand how they operate. That is what makes this forum an important resource.
Is Aeon a cult? I'll address that question at another point in time. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
