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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't let the trolls get you down OP. The same person who began the backpacker talk has in previous lives been a legal and medical expert (oh, still is) and to add to all of that, they are an expert on Chinese society and culture. Rolling Eyes

Nothing wrong with finding a new venue, but your pay is going to take a cut. Unless you get into a private or joint venture university, you will not get that much pay for your work. If you happen to land one with that pay, you will probably end up with a lot more work and red tape.
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Big Worm



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mwaltman wrote:
This is a good example of the problem of the backpacker mentality of ESL in China. Some think it's perfectly fine and dandy to go from a kindergarten job to a university level educator. They are hardly the same job. The fact that anyone can just go do such a thing takes ALL credibility of qualified teachers and throws it out the window.



This, and...

chinatimes wrote:
You are not hired at 6,000 or less because you have a PhD, you are hired because you are considered a "backpacker", a native speaker.


Truer words have never been said.



International kindergarten? Who are you trying to fool? I'd keep riding the grave train you're on then take the money you've (hopefully) saved, and get into a legit teaching program. Surely your experience at an "international kindy" will get you into one.
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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an apples and oranges thread if there has ever been.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GeminiTiger wrote:
This is an apples and oranges thread if there has ever been.


I would add 'Bananas'.
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teachingld2004



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Kindly vs university Reply with quote

I teach in a university and work part time in the kids school. I say "work" and not "teach". Because after two hours there i want to shoot myself in the head.

I have no idea about teaching in an international school, but the kids give me a terrible head ache. Oh, I love kids, and I had worked in kids schools for years before I got my senses and went to university.

If I was going for money, I would stick in the international school. Universities will pay anywhere from 1/3 to less then 1/2 of what you make.
But, the hours are way less, and here are privates.

Everyone has to decide what they like better. It is hard to take advice from others because you may regret it.

But then again, I always ask for advice too
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BlueBlood



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Kindly vs university Reply with quote

teachingld2004 wrote:
I teach in a university and work part time in the kids school. I say "work" and not "teach". Because after two hours there i want to shoot myself in the head.

I have no idea about teaching in an international school, but the kids give me a terrible head ache. Oh, I love kids, and I had worked in kids schools for years before I got my senses and went to university.

If I was going for money, I would stick in the international school. Universities will pay anywhere from 1/3 to less then 1/2 of what you make.
But, the hours are way less, and here are privates.

Everyone has to decide what they like better. It is hard to take advice from others because you may regret it.

But then again, I always ask for advice too



I'm new and looking for opinions, but I can see where one might think I'm seeking advice. At the end of the day, however, I must make my own choices and live with them.

What do you mean by, "and here are privates?"

Also, how does one get a job teaching at a public university? All the headhunters seem to looking for teachers for kids and/or buxibans (that's what private English training centers used to be called in Taiwan, anway; maybe still are?).
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teachingld2004



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject: privates Reply with quote

Privates" can be language schools, or people who want you to teach part time for cash.

They are not legal, but many people do them.

I always am asked to do privates. Some times I say yes and some times I say no
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BlueBlood



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I understand. Thanks
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