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Has your new employer said they need a criminal check?
Yes, and my job is outside of Beijing
19%
 19%  [ 9 ]
Yes, because my new job is in Beijing
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
No, but my employer applied for the invitation letter before July 1st
15%
 15%  [ 7 ]
No, and my employer applied for the invitation letter after July 1st
15%
 15%  [ 7 ]
I've had to provide a criminal check in order to extend my residence permit
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
I've been able to extend my residence permit since July 1st without a criminal check
23%
 23%  [ 11 ]
I haven't got a new job or renewed residence visa, but I want to have an option to click on.
19%
 19%  [ 9 ]
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mike w



Joined: 26 May 2004
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Location: Beijing building site

PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not sure they were hitting the five year issue though.


I think this is something that is particularly regional, and oft times used as an excuse by schools to rid themselves of 'older' teachers and employees.

I just got my 14th consecutive Work permit/RP. All in Beijing, with no breaks except for vacations. (And I'm over 60)
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wangdaning



Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't left the country in 5 years.
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Professional TEFLer



Joined: 09 May 2013
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are these the national FBI checks like are required for other Asian countries?
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wuliuchiba



Joined: 07 Jul 2013
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

South Korea, Vietnam, and Japan require an FBI check. The rest don't.

One problem for Americans is that the U.S. is a very jail-happy society. We put more people in prison than Russia, China, Brazil, and the EU combined. There are quite a few "crimes" such as walking home from the bar while drunk which would not be a crime in any other country, will put you in jail in the U.S. How many teachers currently in China would have "criminal" records if a law like that was enforced the same way it is in the U.S.? I've lived in Asia before and there are a LOT of things that you can get away with in Asia (especially when it comes to traffic!) that would make you a felon in the U.S. In the U.S., if you talk back to a police officer, you get charged with resisting arrest. This is not a paranoid joke. If you haven't been back to the U.S. post 9/11, you will be in for a rude shock at what our society has allowed to become in terms of police power. It's even illegal to photograph cops doing their jobs (1st amendment?). And they say that China is a police state? You're a lot freer there than in the Land of the Free today.
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And they say that China is a police state? You're a lot freer there than in the Land of the Free today.


Sadly, I would agree.
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Harbin



Joined: 19 Feb 2013
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NoBillyNO wrote:
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And they say that China is a police state? You're a lot freer there than in the Land of the Free today.


Sadly, I would agree.


Seconded.
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Markness



Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone explain this visa process out properly for me. Someone told me before that you have to go home annually to renew everything in order to continue working there, is that truly the case? Or does this only happen if you switch companies? If you switch companies in the same city does this legally require you to return home and restart the entire process in order to attain a Z-visa again?
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wangdaning



Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, no, and no. If you change you need some documents confirming you completed the contract and the new school will get you a new residence permit for the new job.

Issues do arise if you leave unfavourably and the old school wants to shaft you.
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mike w



Joined: 26 May 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

16 years in China. Changed city once. Changed employer 4 times.
Never had to return to UK to restart the process. Always had the correct visa type.

BUT, Chinese rules are rules on paper only. The interpretation of those can and does vary enormously between provinces, cities, employers, and even the local PSB. So that in reality, there are no hard and fast rules.

Whatever applies in the city and province you are working are tje rules that will affect you.
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Markness



Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, thanks guys for the replies. Is there any specific locations where they are cracking down super hard on enforcing the rules? I know these questions sound odd, but I am just curious. I don't want to get my heart set on a city and discover that its a head ache to live there.
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isitts



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Surrender wrote:
What I'm curious about is what they're looking for and could potentially keep me from being hired again. I have a DUI arrest (no conviction) that's 10 years old. I've been in China for 4 years and got my new RP in June.


If it was 10 years ago, you can get that expunged.
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