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gloomyGumi
Joined: 29 Dec 2010 Posts: 353
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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nice going there.
Im in a weird spot that I have a BA in English and a Masters in INternational Management and about 5 years of English teaching experience (3 in Korea, 1 in Turkey, 1 in Malaysia) and it seems ridiculous to do a celta or other program at this point. I know there's always methodologies to learn etc. but I got it down pretty well and I got a pretty engaging personality in the classroom with excellent results. But the law is the law, I know many countries require that cert. Yet I have heard if you got a lot of yrs exp, its not "necessary" to do a cert. Of course this is a subjective call, but what do you think? |
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taxman
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 19 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Hi gloomyGumi,
It sounds like you have qualifications and experience which would be interesting for the company I work for, but without the CELTA they would not give you an interview. Ditto for my last employer as well. Without it you will be working for McSchool....... |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Yet I have heard if you got a lot of yrs exp, its not "necessary" to do a cert. Of course this is a subjective call, but what do you think? |
A couple of relevant points: first, experience in Korea, Turkey, and Malaysia will not translate very closely to Germany. The students, their expectations, motivations, and goals will be very different. Employers are aware that experience in Asia particularly is quite different to what normally goes on in European classrooms.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=95456&start=0
Secondly, without the cert, there is no way to really assess whether you've been teaching 'well.' I've worked with a large number of teachers with experience prior to qualifications - and they often really need to get qualified.
Finally, as has already been pointed out, employers in this region simply expect one to be qualified, and not having one is going to put you at even more of a disadvantage on the job market. |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:15 am Post subject: |
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gloomyGumi wrote: |
nice going there.
Im in a weird spot that I have a BA in English and a Masters in INternational Management and about 5 years of English teaching experience (3 in Korea, 1 in Turkey, 1 in Malaysia) and it seems ridiculous to do a celta or other program at this point. I know there's always methodologies to learn etc. but I got it down pretty well and I got a pretty engaging personality in the classroom with excellent results. But the law is the law, I know many countries require that cert. Yet I have heard if you got a lot of yrs exp, its not "necessary" to do a cert. Of course this is a subjective call, but what do you think? |
It isn't really ridiculous at all. You do not have any teaching qualifications to speak of. Claiming you have 'methodologies down pretty well' is one thing, but showing evidence of that in the form of a cert is quite another.
An engaging personality really does not substitute either, I'm afraid. Developing basic rapport with a class is seen as just that - a basic skill. It is the same as saying " I am a great teacher because I am not an ogre in the classroom". We might as well say things like "I want to be a great novelist because I am not illiterate".
Sorry to sound so gloomy, gloomyGumi. Get your Celta. On a more positive note I predict that you'll be surprised at how beneficial it will be to you - even at this point. |
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gloomyGumi
Joined: 29 Dec 2010 Posts: 353
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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:17 am Post subject: |
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@Sasha I dont think you were gloomy at all. Youre right: how can you prove you have the methods down without that piece of paper? Of course you could always offer to do a mock teaching as they call it here in M. But that is really silly in a way. Much better for me to get it, I agree.
@spiral great point about Asian market being different than Western Europe. I agree students will be looking for a different thing. And that the cert will make me more marketable.
Oh shite, looks like I'll have to fork over the 2 thousand bucks, find a 5 week time-out from these IELTS prep courses Im teaching, not to mention teaching loads of engineering students, blah blah blah my boss will love to hear I need 5 weeks off......hahaha
Im too old for this |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Do the CELTA when you get to Germany, not before. It'll mean more in quite a few ways; your practice teaching students will be German instead of (whatever they are now) and your course provider can probably give you very useful leads into the local job market. |
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Loobs
Joined: 25 Aug 2010 Posts: 14 Location: Berlin, Germany
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