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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If one works at a better university, he may be the target of catty sniping from young male teachers who wear a dress shirt, tie, and a jacket. That wears off when the weather warms up, though.

Guys, get a haircut. The shoulder length hair is not looked upon as professional. No one may say anything, but your students will think it odd, and the faculty will despise it. But then, if you teach at Lucky Joe's Language school, the owner may be glad to get any round-eyed, warm body and not care.

More and more teachers (male and female) wear CLEAN, UNRIPPED jeans. At least, that was the trend two years ago. Dump the Converse sneakers. The days of the tie-dye shirt passed in the '70's. When it's hot, wear a sports shirt, not an undershirt or a see-through silk or rayon shirt.

If one goes to China to enter the profession of teaching, dress accordingly. Don't dress to show everyone the "real you". (This is the explanation I got when I asked an FT why he wore cowboy boots, shorts, a cowboy hat, and a tie-dye shirt to class one day).

If one wants to be treated like a professional, he should (at least) dress like one.
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cormac



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Powell wrote:
If one works at a better university, he may be the target of catty sniping from young male teachers who wear a dress shirt, tie, and a jacket. That wears off when the weather warms up, though.


Strange.. I haven't experienced any of this. Probably because its only the professors in their 70s that dress so formally. I dressed formally when I first doing universities and were told by others to dress down. We're here to sell a perceived image of foreigners and foreign education. Many dress styles are acceptable in this, although I'd skip on the gothic punk attire.

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Guys, get a haircut. The shoulder length hair is not looked upon as professional. No one may say anything, but your students will think it odd, and the faculty will despise it. But then, if you teach at Lucky Joe's Language school, the owner may be glad to get any round-eyed, warm body and not care.


Again, I disagree. (Surprise!) a fair number of the professors in my university have long hair. It's making a comeback in china and is often seen as been culturally sensitive.. There is also the expected expectation that foreigners wear their hair different. Now.. If you're expecting the standards of Harvard, then I guess it might be different, but not in China.


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If one goes to China to enter the profession of teaching, dress accordingly. Don't dress to show everyone the "real you". (This is the explanation I got when I asked an FT why he wore cowboy boots, shorts, a cowboy hat, and a tie-dye shirt to class one day).

If one wants to be treated like a professional, he should (at least) dress like one.


I'd agree if we were talking business or a professional occupation, but the simple fact (from many perspectives) is that foreigners are expected to dress differently than the Chinese. We're not expected to dress formally except when the occasion merits it. Actual class times, I tend to wear jeans (somewhat ripped and dirty) clean shirt or tshirt, and doc martins. My chinese colleagues are wearing shorts, tshirts, track suits, etc.

I work in one primary university in xian, and do part time work in two others. Your rather high standards seem to be missing here in the Middle Kingdom.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally I go with clean jeans and long sleeve shirts ... partly to hide tattoos, partly because I think wearing a crisp shirt goes a long way. Im in the minority though.

Summer time I was given silly red school T-shirts to wear, I grumbled for a day or two about being made to dress like a McDonalds worker, and now I look as bad as the rest of the teaching staff. Red T-shirts, shorts and flip flops.

One key thing I know from my students ... they do talk about what the foreigners wear ... and the style isnt too much of an issue, but cleanliness is. There is one teacher I work with who they dont like to touch / be close to as they have a perception his clothes are dirty. Ive been told that for fun, they sometimes count how many days he wears the same t-shirt / jeans etc.
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(This is the explanation I got when I asked an FT why he wore cowboy boots, shorts, a cowboy hat, and a tie-dye shirt to class one day).

If one wants to be treated like a professional, he should (at least) dress like one.


YMCA sheik, maybe he was a professional "Village People"
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Big Worm



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread makes me want to cry. Make sure your jeans are clean and not ripped? WTF? You can get dress slacks and a shirt for less than twenty bucks all in. Dress like a professional. It doesn't take much to put on a tie either. Presentation is important people.

I'm sure some of the people dressing like bums are the same ones complaining about not being taken seriously by their peers.
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Javelin of Radiance



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some allowance needs to be made for weather conditions here. Winters no problem but spring, summer and fall can be torture expecially without air con in rooms and fans that don't work half the time. But clothes should always be clean and in good repair. And please make sure you have underpants on. Especially when wearing short shorts.
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cormac



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Worm wrote:
This thread makes me want to cry. Make sure your jeans are clean and not ripped? WTF? You can get dress slacks and a shirt for less than twenty bucks all in. Dress like a professional. It doesn't take much to put on a tie either. Presentation is important people.

I'm sure some of the people dressing like bums are the same ones complaining about not being taken seriously by their peers.


There is a major different between dressing like a bum and wearing casual clothes.

At university level i wear jeans. At corporate level i wear a suit. Each is suitable to the environment and the required dress code.

Relax the grand general statements. Each place of work will have differ requirements.. And your institution will not hesitate to tell you if they think you're crossing some imagined line.
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Miajiayou



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dress business casual; the exact same way I dressed in an office in the US. Only difference is I pay a LOT more attention to trends and am very careful not to dress too "old" as young Chinese people are very critical when it comes to fashion. Dressing casual or frumpy = LAZY.

I wish I could wear heels everyday, but the ungodly amount of walking I have to do at school ruins them. So, I either wear the cheap heels I buy in China (when I can find my size) or ballet flats.
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mcloo7



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im asking because I want to figure out what type of clothes to buy before I come. I am going to Hangzhou. I know I could buy stuff there too.
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kev7161



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

During the winter in Hangzhou, you'll definitely want to layer as the days and nights are cold and damp (not sub-zero freezing or anything, but once it turns cold, it just stays cold everywhere you go, indoors or out). Bring some thermals or if you are an average build, you can buy what you need here. Thick socks are a must as well. Those are harder (but not impossible) to find.

At school, you can wear a nice sweater over almost anything and you'll be fine. Most teachers and students are bundled up in heavy coats inside the classroom, so it doesn't really matter all that much what you are wearing underneath.

Hangzhou late spring, summer, and early fall are usually quite hot so dress shorts and plain t-shirts or short-sleeved dress shirts are the norm from what I remember when I worked there.

But like most have said, each school's expectations will be different, so asking them about it now wouldn't hurt.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Worm wrote:
Presentation is important people.

I'm sure some of the people dressing like bums are the same ones complaining about not being taken seriously by their peers.


Thought Id add, a few students I am much more familiar with now told me that I was regarded as a playboy when I first arrived. All my FT colleagues were loafing around in faded shorts, old T shirts, sandals and not a passing glance to anything related to fashion.

I wore smart jeans, work shirts to class. And smart jeans and smart shirts to social events and naturally looked quite different to the others, with quite a number of people saying I was a playboy and making an effort for that reason.
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Javelin of Radiance



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denim-Maniac wrote:
Big Worm wrote:
Presentation is important people.

I'm sure some of the people dressing like bums are the same ones complaining about not being taken seriously by their peers.


Thought Id add, a few students I am much more familiar with now told me that I was regarded as a playboy when I first arrived. All my FT colleagues were loafing around in faded shorts, old T shirts, sandals and not a passing glance to anything related to fashion.

I wore smart jeans, work shirts to class. And smart jeans and smart shirts to social events and naturally looked quite different to the others, with quite a number of people saying I was a playboy and making an effort for that reason.

Oh you bronze god !
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Javelin of Radiance wrote:

Oh you bronze god !


Sorry, did you say 'bronze' when you meant 'bald'? The latter is far more accurate.

What Im saying is where I am, pretty much everyone dresses like a bum IMO ... and so when I didnt and paid attention to fashion, some people assumed there was some motive behind it. Wearing smart clothes to school may, in some places, work against you.

edited to add - the people working against you might be other foreign teachers! If they have been used to wearing vest and sandals to school it can rub people up the wrong way if you wear slacks, shoes and shirts.


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Javelin of Radiance



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our school hands out a list of do's and don't do's which includes how to dress, but no-one really checks up on you so unless your privates are hanging out of your pants or something no-one's going to say much. Most schools where you have minimum supervision are probably the same. The students do talk about how teachers dress though. A couple have commented to me that one of the other foreign dudes wears the same pair of jeans every day and has a limited (2-3) selection of t-shirts.
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Worm wrote:
This thread makes me want to cry. Make sure your jeans are clean and not ripped? WTF? You can get dress slacks and a shirt for less than twenty bucks all in. Dress like a professional. It doesn't take much to put on a tie either. Presentation is important people.

I'm sure some of the people dressing like bums are the same ones complaining about not being taken seriously by their peers.


I think that it's a generational difference and a difference in the original socioeconomic level of the FT. The young twenty-somethings and over-aged hippies seem oblivious to the fact that their students and their Chinese colleagues dress the best they can.

While tight-fitting jeans are becoming more popular among female CTs, and the younger male teachers are wearing jeans, when I left in the beginning of 2012, this was not the norm wherever I taught. In nine years of teaching in China, I saw NO Chinese male teachers with chin-length or shoulder-length hair. Granted, I taught in smaller cities of 2 million+ and not Beijing or Shanghai. I do believe that the vast majority of CTs are pretty conservative. In cool weather, it wasn't the 70-80's age group who wore jackets and ties in cooler weather. Those who were willing to shell out the money dressed like that weather permitting. When it was hot, it was a sports shirt and dress slacks for ALL male teachers.

Though they may be completely oblivious to it, FAOs that I've known cringe at the sight of FTs with pony tails and shoulder length hair. I'm sure FAO's and school owners whose schools are located in party hearty destinations have become accustomed to it, so the older FTs don't have to hear the FAO's implore them to get the younger FTs to fall in line. One thing that I do know is that at the last school where I taught, one FT's contract wasn't renewed partly because of the way in which he dressed. The FAO told me this after he was gone.

While I completely believe that many (if not all) male CTs in Beijing, Shanghai, Xiamen, and Chongqing sport ponytails, and the female CTs are all showing major cleavage, in my experience this is not the case in most other places in China.
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