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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:29 pm    Post subject: Female students interested in working while attending uni Reply with quote

Many Saudi female students interested in part-time work
By Mushtak Parker, Saudi Gazette | August 21, 2013
Source: http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20130821177647

LONDON – A survey of Saudi female university students which was published a few days ago has revealed that 87 percent of those surveyed are interested in working part-time if the opportunity was there to gain experience rather than earning extra money. The survey concluded inter alia that part-time work by Saudi students could help prepare them and promote the demonstration effect of the Kingdom’s Saudization policy, especially in the retail and services industries.

The survey titled “Bridging the Gap between the Labor Market and the Education Sector (Females)” was conducted by Glowork, the first female-dedicated human capital firm in the Kingdom and its partners DAF Advisory Services and Alwane. It was based on a sample size of 500 female students aged between 17 to 27 years old at 10 universities across the Kingdom. The sampling methodology involved choosing respondents on an SRS (Simple Random Sampling) basis.

“Countries in the West have their whole retail industry built on part-time students. We believe there should be a mechanism in which the Ministry of Labor looks at adapting a salary-per-hour scheme which could dramatically increase the Saudization percentages in the retail industry,” said Khalid Alkhudair, the Founder and CEO of Glowork. “They want to work not for financial reasons, but purely for experience. I am sure if this survey was conducted for males, the outcome would be different and that’s because in the Kingdom, our sons and daughters are financially dependent on their parents. Until that changes, the need to work is limited,” he added.

The survey could be potentially important on two other counts. It strongly believes that the gap between the education and employment sectors in the Kingdom can be bridged “through implementing a part-time employment law which enables women to become an active member of society and understands what lies ahead for them when they graduate.”

It also comes up with a motley of recommendations for both the Ministry of Education in Saudi Arabia and the various universities. The two recommendations that stand out include universities holding career fairs, initially online because they are less costly and more convenient for female students; and urging the Ministry of Education to consider introducing the teaching of English at lower grades in public schools, given the importance of English in the job market. According to Glowork, the Ministry recently did take a step in the right direction by requiring Saudi schools to start teaching English from Grade 4 compared to Grade 6 previously. Schools and universities alike are encouraged, at least during English classes, to ensure that the language of instruction is exclusively English. According to Dr Khalid Al-Seghayer, a Saudi academic, “using Arabic to teach English induces less-motivated students to rely on Arabic to convey their massages and erodes the student’s confidence in their English proficiency.”

Technological developments in the Internet, stressed the authors of the survey, render online career fairs highly interactive, especially for female students. For example, students may interact directly with a company representative either through a chat room or video conferencing. “One of the main concerns about the integration of females into the Saudi workforce is their inability to work alongside males in a regular corporate setting,” said the survey authors.

However, judging by the fact that only 30 percent of respondents preferred an all-female work environment, the concern surrounding the integration of female workers into a male-dominated working environment may not be as prominent as it is widely believed. Almost two thirds of respondents revealed that they sought help when drafting their CVs and resumes, and mots are even willing to pay for such assistance. As such Glowork and its partners believe this is because of the poor or non-existent career counseling services at universities in the Kingdom. “Universities should strive to teach their students how to professionally network and emphasize to the latter the difference between professional networking and “Wasta”, lest they feel shame in practicing it.

"Universities’ administrators may help their students understand how and when to network by connecting them with recent alumni who work in industries of interest to the students,” maintained Fares Bugshan, CEO of DAF Consulting, one of the partner authors of the survey.

(End of article)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, what I'd like to see is how many Saudis (male OR female) who would be interested in p/t jobs that also include the menial aspects such as emptying the waste bin, picking up after oneself or dealing face-to-face with complaining customers.

I'm afraid that not many of them understand what a REAL job entails!

I remember when I asked one of my "up and coming" Saudis what kind of job that he wanted after finishing school. He responded, "manager". When I informed him that manager was something one worked UP to..not started out at, he gave me the same bewildered look that dog gave the Victrola in the RCA ad gave when he "recognized his master's voice".

Or, the time I was criticized by my sycophant Scottish boss over for informing a newly-hired Saudi co-worker that the work period started and ended upon arrival at and departure from the worksite and NOT from the time he left and returned to his front doorstep as his wide experience of being a job-holder and ALL of his working Saudi role-models had led him to believe! Rolling Eyes

It's funny 'cause he made sure to leave work 1 1/2 hours early for the 30-minute ride home and the hour-long traffic jam that might have materialized!

My boss' criticism was that it wasn't my job to reveal what REAL work practices were. You see BAe wanted Saudis to feel as if they held jobs...not actually work like the rest of the hired help!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so that's been your experience with your (male) students. However, the topic of this thread is about female students' interest in working a part time job. Lumping the work interests of males with those of girls is like apples-n-oranges. In fact, the article mentions that "if this survey was conducted for males, the outcome would be different."
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect that many of these young women look at a part-time job while studying as another way to get out of the house. So many of my female students made it quite clear that the main reason that they were there was the socializing... as their parents otherwise wouldn't allow them to leave the house.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
Okay, so that's been your experience with your (male) students. However, the topic of this thread is about female students' interest in working a part time job. Lumping the work interests of males with those of girls is like apples-n-oranges. In fact, the article mentions that "if this survey was conducted for males, the outcome would be different."


AND, it continues to say,

Quote:
...the outcome would be different and that’s because in the Kingdom, our sons and daughters are financially dependent on their parents.


Nice bit of cherry-picking there, NS. However, in honest extracts, it is dishonest to close quotes merely to support one's myopic opinion. This is what I would expect out of my Saudi or Emirati charges...not an educated Westerner.

The statement, in itself, is self-contradictory and merely the author's speculation.

I taught both Gulf Arab men AND women. If ALL you know is NOT doing the WHOLE job and all that it entails in the modern world, then you have NO frame of reference on what a REAL job entails.

I agree with VS. It's mostly getting out from under Baba's thumb before coming under the flavour-of-the day's thumb rather than actual education or gainful employment much like you and I are familiar with.

We spent most our energies introducing the ladies to basic concepts such as "time management". Sheesh! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you teach "Time Management" ?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear scot47,

Synchronize all the watches. Very Happy

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John
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DLIguy wrote:
nomad soul wrote:
Okay, so that's been your experience with your (male) students. However, the topic of this thread is about female students' interest in working a part time job. Lumping the work interests of males with those of girls is like apples-n-oranges. In fact, the article mentions that "if this survey was conducted for males, the outcome would be different."

AND, it continues to say,

Quote:
...the outcome would be different and that’s because in the Kingdom, our sons and daughters are financially dependent on their parents.

Nice bit of cherry-picking there, NS. However, in honest extracts, it is dishonest to close quotes merely to support one's myopic opinion. This is what I would expect out of my Saudi or Emirati charges...not an educated Westerner.

No intended cherry-picking or dishonesty on my part; it still doesn't negate the premise that the outcome would be different since we're very much aware of the impact of gender segregation (and inequality) within Saudi Arabia's conservative, patriarchal society. Young females are very likely to perceive work opportunities differently than young males, which is what the article is pointing out.

DLIguy wrote:
I taugth both Gulf Arab men AND women.

Again, this article is specific to Saudi female students and not about GCC nationals in general. Besides, as a male, you obviously have never taught classes of Saudi girls nor got to know any of your Gulf female students on a personal level.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
I suspect that many of these young women look at a part-time job while studying as another way to get out of the house. So many of my female students made it quite clear that the main reason that they were there was the socializing... as their parents otherwise wouldn't allow them to leave the house.

VS, that could have been the case years ago in the Gulf in general. However, currently in Saudi Arabia, more Saudi women are joining the workplace in very publicly-visible jobs, which very likely sparks the interest of their peers---that there are possibilities. In my experience, the female employees I've encountered in banks, grocery stores, retail shops, at the telecom center, my housing admin office, etc., generally provided much better customer service than the men. In other words, they were focused on ensuring I was a satisfied customer. Moreover, it was never evident to me that they were there to socialize with me or each other. (Frankly, the reps at the local cable tv customer service center in my US city could certainly squelch their chattiness and pay more attention to their waiting customers.)

My Saudi girls were very curious about how I was able to juggle both a full-time job and uni studies when I was their age. Many even talked about how difficult that must have been, adding that I was ambitious and hard-working (adjectives they'd previously learned). Some of the students voiced interest in taking up a job and working a few nights a week, if feasible.

Anyway, regardless of where I teach, it's critical that I always model a strong work ethic to my students, regardless of their gender. Plus, when I put a personal spin on a situation or concept, learning becomes more authentic to my students.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear scot47,

Synchronize all the watches. Very Happy

Regards,
John


Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
Grendal
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give them a job.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Again, this article is specific to Saudi female students and not about GCC nationals in general.


Gulf Arabs are Gulf Arabs. Full Stop! The only difference is the embossment on their respective passports and the different regents their families pay lip service to.

Quote:
Besides, as a male, you obviously have never taught classes of Saudi girls nor got to know any of your Gulf female students on a personal level.


Quite the statement there. I believe that you have been seduced by your own PR.

I'll have you know that I, as a male, was taken into more confidence than the likes of you, had a class of ladies stand up for me preserving my job and avoiding a jail term (thereby negating "Me and my brother against the cousin and me and my cousin against the infidel") when falsely accused by a student and had a class in Applied Media develop a tribute video for me.

Yeah, I think that you've grown to think very much of yourself on these here boards.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear DLIguy,

"Gulf Arabs are Gulf Arabs. Full Stop!"


Wrong!!! Full Stop!

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John
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On this, we can agree to disagree, John.

Generalizations are generally false...such as certain other generalizations that have been made on this thread.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah comeon DLIGuy... you are just being contrary. We all know how you love a debate. Cool

And having taught for years with all female... and/or mixed classes... in various countries in the Gulf. That is absolutely not true. Not only are there significant differences between say an Omani or a Kuwait/Saudi, the difference between the sexes is HUGE!!

VS
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